RadioBanter - ARS License Numbers

Len Anderson wrote:
In article .com,
writes:

Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote:
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From:
Date: 1/6/2005 6:00 PM Central Standard Time
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Lenof21 wrote:

WHY? The license holder isn't prohibited from doing
anything
after
midnight of the last day of his/her 10-year-active-license
period...and for two more years into that grace period.

That's simply not true, Len. The holder of an expired FCC amateur
radio license cannot legally operate until the license has been
renewed.

This is the second time I've seen you state that mistake here in
the
past few days. An expired FCC amateur license carries *no*
operating
privleges.

IS there some reason you persist in this obvious error?

I told ya... His Worminess has yet laid his long-tailed ignorance
to
bare in a house full of rocking chairs.

It's just a mistake, Steve. Len Anderson obviously doesn't
understand
97.21(b).

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Nun of the Above simply didn't understand
that his/her/it leg was pulled.

Len,

Who are you addressing as "Nun of the Above"? Can't be me.
If you're pulling any body part, it isn't mine and it isn't
a leg.

You simply made a mistake about 97.21(b). Plain as day.
You've repeated it a few times, but you're still mistaken.

[androgynous behavior makes
gender identification difficult]

Androgynous behavior by whom?

There are many, many reasons, all valid, for being unable to
renew prior to the last day of the 10-year period.

Such as?

Death? Coma? Prisoner-of-War (about the ONLY valid reason
I can
think of...) ?

Well, someone could be ill, or busy with work, family, volunteer
activities,
travel, moving, natural disaster, military service, etc.
FCC doesn't care. If a ham lets his/her amateur license expire, they
can't legally operate until it is renewed. Such renewal is valid
when
it shows up
in the FCC database - you don't have to wait for the paper license
to
show up.

All of this is *extremely basic* regulatory stuff, clearly stated in
97.21(b), not somebody's opinion or interpretation.

Tsk.

Yes, Len, one would think you'd know something that basic about
Part 97. But not only are you spouting mistakes, you refuse to
acknowledge them.

What is most interesting is the fact that someone like
Len, who has told us how the regulations should be
changed for so many years, should be so ignorant of such
a basic rule from Part 97.

Tsk. The Nun of the Above,

Who is that, Len?

who designs and builds his

Nuns are female, Len.

own
"state of the art" vacuum tube based radios in the 1990s, is
seemingly unaware of solid-state technology having overtaken
vacuum-state some three decades prior.

Well, you're obviously not talking about me, because I've never
said any of my homebrew ham radio projects are "state of the art".

Perhaps you're talking about yourself? No, that can't be it, because
you don't have any homebrew amateur radio projects to show us at all.

In fact, I recall that you had to *buy* a manufactured cb set back
in 1958 or so, despite all your alleged knowledge of
"radio-electronics".

The Nun of the Above

Who would that be?

has constantly made his

"his"? Nuns are female.

old-time radio
heroes to be pioneers of "firsts" despite absolutely NO radio
broadcasting transmitter copying the AM adaptation of Reggie
Fessenden done in public demonstration on 1906 (special
carbon microphone in series with antenna lead of spark trans-
mitter).

What are you talking about, Len?

Perhaps you should look up how Fessenden did the 1906 broadcast.
He used an RF alternator, IIRC, not spark.

But you've made so many mistakes about RAF that no one is
surprised when you make another.

Yet the Nun wishes to rap all knuckles with his/her/it

Nuns are female, Len.

ruler when such pioneering radio heroism isn't met with
enthusiastic acclaim.

Well, that leaves me out. I'm against violence, both against
children and those who act like children...

The Nun of the Above

Who?

constantly refers to old regulations,
including those made by government radio regulating agencies
which no longer existed after 1934.

Which old regulations, Len?

The only regulations I've referred to recently are current ones.
Like 97.21(b). Do you know that one?

The Nun also applies
his/her/it's ruler to knuckles which do not recognize his/her/it's
truism that morse code testing is a "necessity" for all new
amateur licensees' privileges of operating below 30 MHz on
amateur radio bands.

Well, whoever this mythical Nun person is, she's right about that!
Until FCC changes the rules, a Morse Code test is a necessity for
all new amateur licensees who want transmitting privileges on the
amateur bands below 30 MHz. FCC won't issue the license without
such a test being passed, and a license is a necessity for *legal*
operation.

Of course, Len, you have no such license. Nor are you particularly
familiar with Part 97.

All simply MUST do so...as it has always
been done...no good reasons given.

Operating within the law isn't a good reason?

That striking ruler is again applied whenever an NCTA dares to
question his/her/it's

Nuns are female, Len.

claims of the efficacy of morse code mode
over and above all other modes (which it isn't, but that is
besides
the point to any PCTA).

Who has claimed that? Not me.

The Nun of the Above is an ultra-strict literalist who is unable
to
find a life beyond the newsgroup nor employment in radio-related
industry and disavowing any relationship to professionalism in
the radio-electronics industry.

Nuns are employed by the church. I'm not, so you can't be talking about
me.

Must be some sort of Catholic thing.

Most but not all nuns in the USA are Roman Catholic. Even though I was
brought up in that religion, I'm not part of it now. Nor for a long
long time.

OTOH, your buddy Brian Burke, N0IMD, was raised Roman Catholic and
probably still is. Is he the one you refer to as "Nun of the Above",
Len?

btw, he might like to hear about who you voted for in the 2004 US
presidential election.

What's troubling all these
heavenly fodders is lots and lots of individuals nailing theses

"Theses"? I think you meant a word that rhymes with "theses", Len, only
it begins with the letter F.

"lots and lots of individuals"? How many?

How many think differently?

on
the doors of the Church of St. Hiram saying that morse code
testing must GO and make the "church" open to all citizens who
have an interest

Perhaps it would be better if people with an interest in changing the
rules approached the FCC about it.

Amateur radio is open to all who have enough interest to pass the
required tests and get the required license. You obviously aren't
one of those people.

...an interest and not a desire to dumb themselves
down with old, archaic requirements that have no usefulness.

Like what "old, archaic requirements"? Written tests? Licenses?

You can't be talking about Morse Code skill as having no usefulness,
because it's extremely useful in amateur radio. Therefore, it makes
sense that the tests for an amateur radio license would include a
Morse Code test.

QED

Ave, Imperator!

Who do you address that way? Nuns are usually addressed as "Sister"
or "Mother" or some other title. At least that's the way it was
back when I was Roman Catholic, years and years ago.

As for the Latin, it's one of the languages my ancestors used.
They had world-class poetry, art, drama, philosophy, mathematics,
formal logic, science, engineering, architecture, public works, a
representative form of government, etc. Much of what they accomplished
we still use today - even down to most of the alphabet used to write in
this newsgroup.

At about the same time in history, *your* ancestors were busy painting
their faces blue, howling at the moon and worshipping trees. All they
gave us of any value was the names of some of the days of the week.