"Bill Sohl" wrote


BUT, his NCI membership doesn't tie NCI to Han's personal support
for an entry level license.


Are you saying that NCI does not reciprocate my support for their goals?
That would certainly be a strange sort of membership-organization.

73, de Hans, K0HB

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Total magazines printed

minus wasted copies

minus library subscriptions

minus complimentary copies

equals "EXACT" number of ARRL members

(Guess that new math really confounded ya, Huh BRAIN?

What an idiot.

See, with a little nudging I knew you could come up with a thought process.

So how many are there?

Mike Coslo wrote in message et...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
news:20031223110945.14309.00001469@mb- Total magazines printed

minus wasted copies

minus library subscriptions

minus complimentary copies

equals "EXACT" number of ARRL members

(Guess that new math really confounded ya, Huh BRAIN?

What an idiot.

Steve, K4YZ



You forgot to add in members who don't receive their own magazine, such as
those on the family membership.

Might as well add the memberships for blind hams that don't want to get
QST.

- Mike KB3EIA -

And all the SK's out there who forgot to terminate their memberships.

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

If one were to...well, waste time...reviewing many, if not all, of Dave's
posts; all Dave is about is posting replies that have no content other than
to pontificate and humor himself. There's nothing, *nothing* of any
substance whatsoever in a thing he writes...he's like a lawyer...

Dave's posting are an RRAP universal constant.

Nobody knows why the constant is there, but it always is.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"But, but, but....

I snipped the rant. Caps and all.

Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya?

Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles
"knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership
numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses.

Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have
that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then.

Steve, K4YZ

So how many members does the ARRL have?

Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/23/03 4:38 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

And all the SK's out there who forgot to terminate their memberships.

Brain, do you think there's ANY "membership" organization that has a 100%,
real-time accounting of thier membership? I don't.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/23/03 4:55 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"But, but, but....

I snipped the rant. Caps and all.

Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya?

Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles
"knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership
numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite"
excuses.

Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to
have
that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then.

Steve, K4YZ

So how many members does the ARRL have?

Enough, I am sure.

I showed you how to find out. You do the math. You CAN "do the math",
can't you, "BRAIN"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

"Brian" wrote in message
m...
Mike Coslo wrote in message
et...
Dee D. Flint wrote:
You forgot to add in members who don't receive their own magazine,
such as
those on the family membership.

Might as well add the memberships for blind hams that don't want to get
QST.

- Mike KB3EIA -

And all the SK's out there who forgot to terminate their memberships.

However, the latter is a somewhat self correcting situation for the most
part as, except for life members, the membership must be renewed on an
annual basis.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Brian wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



"But, but, but....

I snipped the rant. Caps and all.


Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya?

Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles
"knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership
numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses.

Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have
that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then.

Steve, K4YZ


So how many members does the ARRL have?

At least 2, you and me.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Bill Sohl wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Bill Sohl wrote:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

snippage

Two questions...
1. What "other members" (I presume you mean Board Members), other
than W5YI, do NOT support retention of technical acumen?

They don't have to be Board members, Bill. And I don't have their names
off the top of my head.

If you like, I can retract the "members" statement, and substitute
"member" or "prominent member". Although I think that's almost like
saying a person's argument is invalid because they made a typo.

Bottom line, without names, the statement is grossly misleading
as you apear to try and broaden your claim to NCI in general...
which is absolutely false.

Bottom line, I have never accused NCI of having any particular
opinion.

I wrote:

Instead, some members express "unofficial opinions that scare the
bejabbers out of me.


That's the point. "Unofficial opinions". That alone, regardless
of what you say, creates an impression that there is an "unofficial
'NCI' opinion". If a person has their own opinion about
something, that isn't "official" or "unofficial" by itself. Adding the
"unofficial opinion" label in talking about an NCI
member DOES create a different perception than simply
saying John Doe has an opinion that scares me.

I have a question. There is no doubt that NCI is a political
organization. So this is a fair question.

Why don't you ask a good conservative Republican what they think of the
new Govorner of California's stand on say, abortion, or say same sex
marriages? So while his opinion doesn't really have that much to do with
the national scene, therefore it isn't relevant to anything but himself,
I do know that there are plenty of the above mentioned conservatives
that don't think a whole lot of him or his opinion at all.


Back to now:

Who is broadening any claim? I even put unofficial opinions on my

sentence.

Your trying to pin me down on this is amusing, since the membership
rolls of NCI are a closely guarded secret. The only way we know is if
the member outs him or her self.


Then how can you even make the statement that some "members" have
opinions that scare you IF you can't even identify them.

I just identified two.

I don't like Han's entry level license requirement either. He's a member.


BUT, his NCI membership doesn't tie NCI to Han's personal support
for an entry level license.

But he certainly serves as another data point. Why don't we go over
some stuff.

You (apparently) don't support any change in anything except the
elimination of Element one.

W5YI supports what to me seems to be a radical simplification and
*******ization of the ARS requirements.

Hans has a plan that I generally don't like. I must say that he does
address the issue of needed change when element one disappears.

So forgive me, but I think I can form an opinion and defend it.

All I propose is strengthening the requirements of what exists now, and
otherwise leaving things intact. I would really encourage going into the
regulations and cleaning them up after the changover.

And yes, since NCI sees itself as the vanguard of change, I see NCI as
derelict in it's duties. To just say "eliminate the Code test" really
isn't enough.

- Mike KB3EIA -