"Alun" wrote in message
...
I see no benefit in giving over 7125-7150 to phone. 7075-7100, for
example,
would be the same size and in a more useful place. Moreover, it would
harmonise Region 2 US hams with US hams outside R2.


This will crowd the CW/digital/data modes too much since there are so many
US hams. It would be better to wait for the other treaty changes from the
conference to take affect and synchronize Regions 1 and 3 with Region 2.
You do know of course that the treaty now requires broadcasters to move out
of 7.1 to 7.2 and that this will become an exclusive amateur allocation. I
don't recall the timing but it is required in the treaty. Perhaps someday,
the ITU will open up the 7.2 to 7.3 to the other regions. In the meantime,
7.150 to 7.200 could be a worldwide phone allocation. This is actually more
space than either of the suggested proposals.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
...
I see no benefit in giving over 7125-7150 to phone. 7075-7100, for
example, would be the same size and in a more useful place. Moreover,
it would harmonise Region 2 US hams with US hams outside R2.


This will crowd the CW/digital/data modes too much since there are so
many US hams. It would be better to wait for the other treaty changes
from the conference to take affect and synchronize Regions 1 and 3 with
Region 2. You do know of course that the treaty now requires
broadcasters to move out of 7.1 to 7.2 and that this will become an
exclusive amateur allocation.

Of course I do, but do you think they will really move? Some may, but I
think some of them never will.

I don't recall the timing but it is
required in the treaty. Perhaps someday, the ITU will open up the 7.2
to 7.3 to the other regions. In the meantime, 7.150 to 7.200 could be
a worldwide phone allocation. This is actually more space than either
of the suggested proposals.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I'm assuming that this will happen anyway. I just meant that 7075-7100,
where of course there is already phone, would be more use to phone ops than
the proposed 7125-7150, where there isn't.

Alun wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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"Alun" wrote in message
. ..


I see no benefit in giving over 7125-7150 to phone. 7075-7100, for
example, would be the same size and in a more useful place. Moreover,
it would harmonise Region 2 US hams with US hams outside R2.



This will crowd the CW/digital/data modes too much since there are so
many US hams. It would be better to wait for the other treaty changes
from the conference to take affect and synchronize Regions 1 and 3 with
Region 2. You do know of course that the treaty now requires
broadcasters to move out of 7.1 to 7.2 and that this will become an
exclusive amateur allocation.



Of course I do, but do you think they will really move? Some may, but I
think some of them never will.


Maybe we all should move voice to the bottom of 40m, and create a new
subband for
modes that create bad QRM to the broadcasters who don't vacate? :-)

Robert Casey wrote in news:400ECC4F.9040505
@ix.netcom.com:

Alun wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
digy.com:



"Alun" wrote in message
...


I see no benefit in giving over 7125-7150 to phone. 7075-7100, for
example, would be the same size and in a more useful place. Moreover,
it would harmonise Region 2 US hams with US hams outside R2.



This will crowd the CW/digital/data modes too much since there are so
many US hams. It would be better to wait for the other treaty changes
from the conference to take affect and synchronize Regions 1 and 3 with
Region 2. You do know of course that the treaty now requires
broadcasters to move out of 7.1 to 7.2 and that this will become an
exclusive amateur allocation.



Of course I do, but do you think they will really move? Some may, but I
think some of them never will.


Maybe we all should move voice to the bottom of 40m, and create a new
subband for
modes that create bad QRM to the broadcasters who don't vacate? :-)






With a power limit of 50kW to make sure, ROTFL!

Maybe we all should move voice to the bottom of 40m, and create a new
subband for
modes that create bad QRM to the broadcasters who don't vacate? :-)










With a power limit of 50kW to make sure, ROTFL!


Unfortunatley quite true, unless their intended audience lives in your
town. Maybe we should still put our digital modes there, as CW and
such I think may not be bothered much by broadcaster QRM. CW
as it's narrowband and one could use a frequency a couple KHz's
away from the broadcast carriers, and other digital modes I think
may not be bothered by the QRM much.

Alun wrote in message . ..
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
...
I see no benefit in giving over 7125-7150 to phone. 7075-7100, for
example, would be the same size and in a more useful place. Moreover,
it would harmonise Region 2 US hams with US hams outside R2.


This will crowd the CW/digital/data modes too much since there are so
many US hams. It would be better to wait for the other treaty changes
from the conference to take affect and synchronize Regions 1 and 3 with
Region 2. You do know of course that the treaty now requires
broadcasters to move out of 7.1 to 7.2 and that this will become an
exclusive amateur allocation.

Of course I do, but do you think they will really move?

Yes. They agreed to it in the treaty.

Some may, but I think some of them never will.

Why?

Many countries are reducing or even eliminating their SWBC operations.
The others have agreed to move, and they have about 3 years to do so.

In the 60s and 70s, SWBC was so crowded that some countries moved
*below*
7100. Complaints from ARRL and others to the various State Departments
got them to move. The only real failure of the "Intruder Watch" of
those days
was the woodpecker, which was an OTHR system. It was made to move by
other means ;-)

I don't recall the timing but it is
required in the treaty.

Three years or so IIRC. Maybe before FCC drops Element 1.

Perhaps someday, the ITU will open up the 7.2
to 7.3 to the other regions. In the meantime, 7.150 to 7.200 could be
a worldwide phone allocation. This is actually more space than either
of the suggested proposals.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I'm assuming that this will happen anyway. I just meant that 7075-7100,
where of course there is already phone, would be more use to phone ops than
the proposed 7125-7150, where there isn't.

If the USA opens 7075-7100 to 'phone, all that will happen is the DX
'phones
will move still lower in the band to get away. There are already some
on 7050
and lower - and many of them are in R2!

73 de Jim, N2EY

(N2EY) wrote in
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Alun wrote in message
. ..
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
...
I see no benefit in giving over 7125-7150 to phone. 7075-7100, for
example, would be the same size and in a more useful place.
Moreover, it would harmonise Region 2 US hams with US hams outside
R2.


This will crowd the CW/digital/data modes too much since there are
so many US hams. It would be better to wait for the other treaty
changes from the conference to take affect and synchronize Regions 1
and 3 with Region 2. You do know of course that the treaty now
requires broadcasters to move out of 7.1 to 7.2 and that this will
become an exclusive amateur allocation.

Of course I do, but do you think they will really move?

Yes. They agreed to it in the treaty.

Some may, but I think some of them never will.

Why?

Many countries are reducing or even eliminating their SWBC operations.
The others have agreed to move, and they have about 3 years to do so.

In the 60s and 70s, SWBC was so crowded that some countries moved
*below*
7100. Complaints from ARRL and others to the various State Departments
got them to move. The only real failure of the "Intruder Watch" of
those days
was the woodpecker, which was an OTHR system. It was made to move by
other means ;-)

I don't recall the timing but it is required in the treaty.

Three years or so IIRC. Maybe before FCC drops Element 1.

Perhaps someday, the ITU will open up the 7.2
to 7.3 to the other regions. In the meantime, 7.150 to 7.200 could
be a worldwide phone allocation. This is actually more space than
either of the suggested proposals.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I'm assuming that this will happen anyway. I just meant that
7075-7100, where of course there is already phone, would be more use
to phone ops than the proposed 7125-7150, where there isn't.

If the USA opens 7075-7100 to 'phone, all that will happen is the DX
'phones
will move still lower in the band to get away. There are already some
on 7050
and lower - and many of them are in R2!

73 de Jim, N2EY


I beleive the R2 bandplan allows phone down to 7045, same as R1. In R3 it's
7030! R2 hams operatong phone 'on 7050 and lower' are abiding by the ITU
bandplan unless they go below 7045.

"Alun" wrote in message
...

I beleive the R2 bandplan allows phone down to 7045, same as R1. In R3
it's
7030! R2 hams operatong phone 'on 7050 and lower' are abiding by the ITU
bandplan unless they go below 7045.

Keep in mind that outside the US, those are just band plans. According to
postings I read elsewhere, they are ignored with some regularity. It
becomes even more common to ignore them during some contests.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
...

I beleive the R2 bandplan allows phone down to 7045, same as R1. In R3
it's 7030! R2 hams operatong phone 'on 7050 and lower' are abiding by
the ITU bandplan unless they go below 7045.

Keep in mind that outside the US, those are just band plans. According
to postings I read elsewhere, they are ignored with some regularity.
It becomes even more common to ignore them during some contests.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I can't speak for hams in every country in the world, but being originally
from the UK I would say that most there would be horrified at the idea of
operating phone below 7040, for example. The cutoff used to be 7040 before
they set aside 7035-7045 for RTTY. That is one aspect of it being
voluntary, you will find people who continue to use a frequency after the
bandplan is changed. In a similar way, phone is supposed to be above 14.112
on 20, but it used to be 14.100. The RTTY sections were carved out of the
top of CW and the bottom of phone.

Phone below 7.040 or below 14.100 is not something I hear when I tune
around. It's easy for US hams to form an impression that there are lots of
DX hams operating phone on CW frequencies, but there really aren't. It's
just that few realise how far down phone extends in the IARU bandplans.

Contests are another matter, but that cuts both ways, i.e. you will also
find CW on phone frequencies during CW contests.

73 de Alun, N3KIP (Ex-G8VUK, G0VUK)

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com:


"Alun" wrote in message
...

I beleive the R2 bandplan allows phone down to 7045, same as R1. In R3
it's 7030! R2 hams operatong phone 'on 7050 and lower' are abiding by
the ITU bandplan unless they go below 7045.

Keep in mind that outside the US, those are just band plans. According
to postings I read elsewhere, they are ignored with some regularity.
It becomes even more common to ignore them during some contests.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I can't speak for hams in every country in the world, but being
originally
from the UK I would say that most there would be horrified at the idea of
operating phone below 7040, for example. The cutoff used to be 7040 before
they set aside 7035-7045 for RTTY. That is one aspect of it being
voluntary, you will find people who continue to use a frequency after the
bandplan is changed. In a similar way, phone is supposed to be above
14.112
on 20, but it used to be 14.100. The RTTY sections were carved out of the
top of CW and the bottom of phone.

Phone below 7.040 or below 14.100 is not something I hear when I tune
around. It's easy for US hams to form an impression that there are lots of
DX hams operating phone on CW frequencies, but there really aren't. It's
just that few realise how far down phone extends in the IARU bandplans.

Contests are another matter, but that cuts both ways, i.e. you will also
find CW on phone frequencies during CW contests.

73 de Alun, N3KIP (Ex-G8VUK, G0VUK)

As far as the phone goes, I'm reporting what I've read posted by Europeans
rather than my own impressions.

At least for US CW contests, I don't find the CW climbing into the phone
portions. In some cases the rules specifically state that the contacts are
to be limited to the "traditional" CW portion. In the remainder of the
cases, we're just so conditioned to sticking below the split point that we
stay there anyway in a contest. Although the contesters do ignore the
digital, etc bandplan recommendations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE