(Len Over 21) wrote in
:

In article , "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

As I indicated in another post, early on in amateur radio, it would
have been easy for the ITU to have allocated all the frequencies to
commericial and government interests. The size of the US amateur
community was, in those early days, very probably a key element in
keeping an allocation for amateurs.

There was NO "ITU" before WW2. There was the CCITT.

The size of the US amateur community was, in those early days,
miniscule compared to the broadcasters getting started. Ham radio's
oinks weren't near "numerous" until AFTER WW2.

But, to hear the spin from the league, they and Stl Hiram
practically invented ham radio and saved it from perdition.

Selective editing of the REAL history of all radio doesn't make it
"truth." Except to the devout Believers...

LHA / WMD

They even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence, when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for the
league's opposition!

In article , Alun
writes:

They even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence, when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for the
league's opposition!

It's going to be somewhat interesting to hear the Devout spin that
around now...unfortunately, there's no real creation in religious
beliefs and barking dogma of jingoism.

"Our karma ran over their dogma..." :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Alun
writes:

They

[the ARRL]

even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence,

Where, Alun? Can you show where ARRL claims credit for the Tech losing its code
test?

when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for the
league's opposition!

Not true!

The Tech lost its code test in early 1991. 20 years earlier was 1971. The first
FCC attempt at a nocodetest amateur license was in 1975, and if enacted would
have not taken effect sooner than 1976. That's 15 years, not 20.

And in 1975, ARRL polled its entire membership with a detailed questionnaire. A
large and pervasive majority opposed a nocodetest ham license of any kind.

73 de Jim, N2EY

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

They

[the ARRL]

even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence,

Where, Alun? Can you show where ARRL claims credit for the Tech losing
its code test?

They did at the time


when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for the
league's opposition!

Not true!

The Tech lost its code test in early 1991. 20 years earlier was 1971.
The first FCC attempt at a nocodetest amateur license was in 1975, and
if enacted would have not taken effect sooner than 1976. That's 15
years, not 20.

So it's not true because it was only 15 years not 20? That's only a matter
of degree, not substance.

So you admit they opposed it for 15 years, and I can assure you they tried
to claim credit when it happened.


And in 1975, ARRL polled its entire membership with a detailed
questionnaire. A large and pervasive majority opposed a nocodetest ham
license of any kind.

73 de Jim, N2EY




Exactly, the ARRL opposed it.

In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

They

[the ARRL]

even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence,

Where, Alun? Can you show where ARRL claims credit for the Tech losing
its code test?

They did at the time

Where? Can you cite any references?

1991 is not ancient history yet. I "was there", wrote letters, followed the
issue closely. In 1990, ARRL BoD policy changed from opposition of any form of
nocodetest ham license to support of a VHF/UHF-only limited license. This was
driven by several factors, including member opinion that was divided 50-50 on
that specific issue.

But I recall no claim that the BoD originated the idea.

when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for the
league's opposition!

Not true!

The Tech lost its code test in early 1991. 20 years earlier was 1971.
The first FCC attempt at a nocodetest amateur license was in 1975, and
if enacted would have not taken effect sooner than 1976. That's 15
years, not 20.

So it's not true because it was only 15 years not 20? That's only a matter
of degree, not substance.

It's an error of ~33% (1/3 of 15 is 5)

It's an indication that your recollection of the occurrences surrounding the
introduction of nocodetest ham licenses in the USA, and the ARRL's role
in them, may be somewhat inaccurate.

So you admit they opposed it for 15 years, and I can assure you they tried
to claim credit when it happened.

Based on what? I can assure you that "they" did not claim credit for coming up
with the idea.

And in 1975, ARRL polled its entire membership with a detailed
questionnaire. A large and pervasive majority opposed a nocodetest ham
license of any kind.

Exactly, the ARRL opposed it.

And that's a good thing. Too bad they couldn't see their way to doing another
such survey or two.

The 1975 survey gave a clear indication of what the membership - almost all of
it - really wanted ARRL to do at the time. How can anyone fault them for
following the clear mandate of the membership?

73 de Jim, N2EY.

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

They

[the ARRL]

even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence,

Where, Alun? Can you show where ARRL claims credit for the Tech
losing its code test?

They did at the time

Where? Can you cite any references?

1991 is not ancient history yet. I "was there", wrote letters, followed
the issue closely. In 1990, ARRL BoD policy changed from opposition of
any form of nocodetest ham license to support of a VHF/UHF-only limited
license. This was driven by several factors, including member opinion
that was divided 50-50 on that specific issue.

But I recall no claim that the BoD originated the idea.

I was there too, and I recall several such claims.


when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for
the league's opposition!

Not true!

The Tech lost its code test in early 1991. 20 years earlier was 1971.
The first FCC attempt at a nocodetest amateur license was in 1975,
and if enacted would have not taken effect sooner than 1976. That's
15 years, not 20.

So it's not true because it was only 15 years not 20? That's only a
matter of degree, not substance.

It's an error of ~33% (1/3 of 15 is 5)

It's an indication that your recollection of the occurrences
surrounding the introduction of nocodetest ham licenses in the USA, and
the ARRL's role
in them, may be somewhat inaccurate.

So you admit they opposed it for 15 years, and I can assure you they
tried to claim credit when it happened.

Based on what? I can assure you that "they" did not claim credit for
coming up with the idea.

And in 1975, ARRL polled its entire membership with a detailed
questionnaire. A large and pervasive majority opposed a nocodetest
ham license of any kind.

Exactly, the ARRL opposed it.

And that's a good thing. Too bad they couldn't see their way to doing
another such survey or two.

The 1975 survey gave a clear indication of what the membership - almost
all of it - really wanted ARRL to do at the time. How can anyone fault
them for following the clear mandate of the membership?

73 de Jim, N2EY.

In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

They

[the ARRL]

even claim they were responsible for the no-code licence,

Where, Alun? Can you show where ARRL claims credit for the Tech
losing its code test?

They did at the time

Where? Can you cite any references?

1991 is not ancient history yet. I "was there", wrote letters, followed
the issue closely. In 1990, ARRL BoD policy changed from opposition of
any form of nocodetest ham license to support of a VHF/UHF-only limited
license. This was driven by several factors, including member opinion
that was divided 50-50 on that specific issue.

But I recall no claim that the BoD originated the idea.

I was there too, and I recall several such claims.

So point us to them. How were the claims made? They must have
been in QST, right?

when the
truth is the FCC would have introduced one 20 years earlier but for
the league's opposition!

Not true!

The Tech lost its code test in early 1991. 20 years earlier was 1971.
The first FCC attempt at a nocodetest amateur license was in 1975,
and if enacted would have not taken effect sooner than 1976. That's
15 years, not 20.

So it's not true because it was only 15 years not 20? That's only a
matter of degree, not substance.

It's an error of ~33% (1/3 of 15 is 5)

It's an indication that your recollection of the occurrences
surrounding the introduction of nocodetest ham licenses in the USA, and
the ARRL's role
in them, may be somewhat inaccurate.

So you admit they opposed it for 15 years, and I can assure you they
tried to claim credit when it happened.

Based on what? I can assure you that "they" did not claim credit for
coming up with the idea.

And in 1975, ARRL polled its entire membership with a detailed
questionnaire. A large and pervasive majority opposed a nocodetest
ham license of any kind.

Exactly, the ARRL opposed it.

And that's a good thing. Too bad they couldn't see their way to doing
another such survey or two.

The 1975 survey gave a clear indication of what the membership - almost
all of it - really wanted ARRL to do at the time. How can anyone fault
them for following the clear mandate of the membership?

Well?

73 de Jim, N2EY.