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March 19th 04, 06:03 AM
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March 19th 04, 08:22 AM
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Subject: BPL NPRM v. NOI
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 3/17/2004 11:09 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Jimmie has tips on everything. He knows what is, what isn't, who is right, who is wrong, even what the FCC thinks. Information technology or IT. He's full of IT. :-) Whew! Lennie's got a bad case of the "Mee Too's" tonight! Steve, K4YZ |
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#54
March 19th 04, 01:43 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... Jimmie has tips on everything. He knows what is, what isn't, who is right, who is wrong, even what the FCC thinks. Information technology or IT. He's full of IT. :-) Yours sincerely, TNAFKNAMPARRL TNAFKNAMPARRL, TAFKARJ is about to be toppled. Time to back-channel a mitigating response. MSIT A8J. Authenticate. Roger that, Red Dog Leader, you are 5 by 9 all the way. Would you repeat the last groups? :-) Red Dog 7 clear. squeep LHA / WMD Red Dog 7, you are 5 by 9. Say again all after "Roger that." ;^) |
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#55
March 19th 04, 01:49 PM
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Nope, no anger or rage. Len has been working out and now I call him "Lean." Actually, I've been out working, not working out. Doubtful, but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one since "work" is a relative term. He would praise you for knowing sumptin about about Part 97. Best of Luck. He knows it exists. That's a plus. Beyond that, his score isn't the highest grade on the report card. MY score on Part 97 isn't the "highest grade"...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! What Lennie DOESN'T know about Part 97 could fill libraries! Impossible. I own a copy of Part 97 and it fills the space of one small book. Lennie's understanding and comprehension of Amateur Radio regulations, both in theory and practice have been ripped apart by more than ONE poster in this forum, and always to his ultimate detriment. Because Amateur Radio exists in a parallel universe where conventional laws of physics do not apply. |
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#56
March 19th 04, 03:18 PM
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Subject: When Was CB Created?
From: (William) Date: 3/19/2004 7:49 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message .com... (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Nope, no anger or rage. Len has been working out and now I call him "Lean." Actually, I've been out working, not working out. Doubtful, but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one since "work" is a relative term. He would praise you for knowing sumptin about about Part 97. Best of Luck. He knows it exists. That's a plus. Beyond that, his score isn't the highest grade on the report card. MY score on Part 97 isn't the "highest grade"...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! What Lennie DOESN'T know about Part 97 could fill libraries! Impossible. I own a copy of Part 97 and it fills the space of one small book. Lennie's understanding and comprehension of Amateur Radio regulations, both in theory and practice have been ripped apart by more than ONE poster in this forum, and always to his ultimate detriment. Because Amateur Radio exists in a parallel universe where conventional laws of physics do not apply. No...becasue that blithering idiot likes to make up his OWN rules as he goes in order to vindicate his rants. He's a fool, Brain, and you're his bagboy. What does that say about you...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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March 20th 04, 12:27 AM
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March 20th 04, 01:21 AM
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#59
March 20th 04, 01:27 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: What Lennie DOESN'T know about Part 97 could fill libraries! Impossible. I own a copy of Part 97 and it fills the space of one small book. I have all five volumes of Title 47 C.F.R., soft-cover, printed by the U.S. Government Printing Office. Part 97 is one of the smaller sections in the 5th volume. There are several USGPO branch outlets in major urban centers and will take orders for publications over the phone, accepting major credit card payment. USPS regular surface delivery is free on order shipment. Len, in your best judgement, would you think that Steve could avail himself to the services of the USGPO and USPS, learn the truth, then post a retraction of his statement above? Lennie's understanding and comprehension of Amateur Radio regulations, both in theory and practice have been ripped apart by more than ONE poster in this forum, and always to his ultimate detriment. Because Amateur Radio exists in a parallel universe where conventional laws of physics do not apply. The sad part is that some, like Robeson, perceive U.S. amateur radio only in terms of their own involvement. Further, he demands some kind of "rule by tenure and involvement" (similar to a kind of ancient tribal leadership by brawn and bravado) solely by the participants. Robeson reacts in the typical "military syndrome" of absolute pride in "his outfit" and assumes some kind of officer or NCO rank above others, demanding uncompromising obeyance to his "orders." If there is objection to what he says, he goes into the abusive nature of typical NCOs whipping the troops into line. I find it interesting that Steve, having supposedly served in seven hostile actions, never served in a unit with a single KIA, present or past. Even though I was in the USAF, I served the Second Infantry Division. It has a proud history and I was proud to serve it. Though hostilities were low due to the cease fire of 1954, I would like to think that having competant armed forces facing the enemy along the DMZ helped maintain that cease fire. The problem is that U.S. amateur radio is NOT a military service nor even a paramilitary service. It is basically a hobby, a recreational activity involving radio. It is, by default, a hobby because federal regulations forbid monetary compensation for any radio communications rendered. Though monetary compensation is forbidden, it often occurs. Some call them "repeater dues." Be that as it may, the Amateur Service has been useful and probably will continue to be useful in emergency communications when other comms fail. There is the common thread among the "tribal rule" individuals that no one unlicensed in amateur radio can possibly know anything about amateur radio, therefore they should be silent. Preposterous since U.S. amateur radio activity is widely publicized (among those who care to find out) and federal regulations forbid any secrecy in amateur communications. I've seen it bragged on here that the ARRL Amateur Handbook is found in professional radio engineers library shelves. Must be a one way street. No one on the staff of the FCC or the Commissioners themselves are required to have any amateur radio licenses, yet the FCC has the lawful duty to regulate amateur radio and mitigate interference matters, up to and including imposing fines and calling on U.S. Marshals to arrest extreme miscreants. That rather destroys their concept that "only other amateurs can tell them what to do." I hope someone in authority is watching the nutty one. He really spooks me. Amateur radios operate by exactly the same physics as radios in all other radio services. Propagation of radio waves occurs in exactly the same way as for all other radio services. There are no exceptions despite some odd ideas and strange misconceptions among certain radio amateurs. Might be because they do not understand other radio services and think amateur radio is special. It is impossible to rationally discuss anything with certain people (such as Robeson) since they are too emotionally-driven and too prideful in their concept of their personal hobby involvement. They must - absolutely - have their way or all are treated to personally abusive remarks from them. I tire of him. He's irrational. The above is representative of their non-reasoning in demanding a morse code test for all new amateurs...pure emotional basis on what they had to endure long ago (and probably resent). LHA / WMD uphill both ways. bb |
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March 20th 04, 10:59 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: What Lennie DOESN'T know about Part 97 could fill libraries! Impossible. I own a copy of Part 97 and it fills the space of one small book. I have all five volumes of Title 47 C.F.R., soft-cover, printed by the U.S. Government Printing Office. Part 97 is one of the smaller sections in the 5th volume. There are several USGPO branch outlets in major urban centers and will take orders for publications over the phone, accepting major credit card payment. USPS regular surface delivery is free on order shipment. Len, in your best judgement, would you think that Steve could avail himself to the services of the USGPO and USPS, learn the truth, then post a retraction of his statement above? Hell will freeze over first... :-) Lennie's understanding and comprehension of Amateur Radio regulations, both in theory and practice have been ripped apart by more than ONE poster in this forum, and always to his ultimate detriment. Because Amateur Radio exists in a parallel universe where conventional laws of physics do not apply. The sad part is that some, like Robeson, perceive U.S. amateur radio only in terms of their own involvement. Further, he demands some kind of "rule by tenure and involvement" (similar to a kind of ancient tribal leadership by brawn and bravado) solely by the participants. Robeson reacts in the typical "military syndrome" of absolute pride in "his outfit" and assumes some kind of officer or NCO rank above others, demanding uncompromising obeyance to his "orders." If there is objection to what he says, he goes into the abusive nature of typical NCOs whipping the troops into line. I find it interesting that Steve, having supposedly served in seven hostile actions, never served in a unit with a single KIA, present or past. Even though I was in the USAF, I served the Second Infantry Division. It has a proud history and I was proud to serve it. Though hostilities were low due to the cease fire of 1954, I would like to think that having competant armed forces facing the enemy along the DMZ helped maintain that cease fire. The Korean War Cease Fire took place in 1953 but sporadic fighting happened for at least another three decades. The Korean War remains in a curious "cease fire" after nearly 51 years, not over yet. Korea is still divided and the "talks" continue at Panmunjom on a regular basis. Ridiculous. Robeson tries to vainly manufacture indiscretions by others but all that does is to discredit himself. He says that I "associate myself with KIAs" and that is not true. What I've stated is that I was assigned to a Signal Battalion, then called the 71st, in February of 1953. That Signal Battalion was organized in 1946 to directly serve Far East Command Headquarters then in Tokyo. After the June, 1950, start of the Korean War, FEC Hq ordered some personnel and communications equipment from the 71st Sig Svc Bn to be air-lifted into Korea to reinforce communications there. The C-54 crashed on landing, killing all on board, on 1 Jul 50. The main billet (and US Army Central Command offices) was named "Hardy Barracks" after one of those killed; "Camp Tomlinson" was made the name of the station ADA transmitter site and barracks at Kashiwa in mid-1956, also honoring one of those killed. There were three other casualties from my Signal Battalion between 1952 and 1956. I use the term "my Signal Battalion" because I was assigned to it and remained in it for three years. During that time the name was changed and between 1956 and 1958 it was consolidated with the 72nd Signal Battalion at Camp Zama as part of the post-Korea downsizing of military in Japan. The battalion's name changed twice more after that, eventually stabilizing as the 78th Signal Battalion, still at Camp Zama, under the 516th Signal Brigade at Fort Shafter, Hawaii, that Brigade attached to Headquarters, U.S. Army Pacific. Callsign ADA remains as that of USARPAC Hq after 6 decades of providing primary communications. Even though my service was uneventful and rather ordinary, "my battalion" earned two Presidential Unit Citations while I was assigned to it. I've stood Retreat more than once to honor those few signalmen from the battalion who perished while on duty. We all "got the message through" in the everyday motto of the Signal Corps. I'm proud to have been a part of it. I've been in communications with five former signalmen who were in my battalion plus a civilian who was a DAC at ADA. One of the signalmen, Eugene Rosenbaum, served at the same time I did and we knew each other then. Gene is a long-time radio amateur, retired from the FAA, and his interest now is in radio controlled model airplanes. We fought no glorious battles, did not earn any pretty medals (beyond a Good Conduct medal), just did our duty. No "hostile actions," just the ordinary hazards of military service. In the words of one of the signalmen, "we (of the 71st) didn't yield an inch of Tokyo ground to the communists!" :-) Actually, we yielded to the USAF. As part of the downsizing after the Korean War and before the start of Vietnam War, the USAF was assigned responsibility for all the HF radio, torn-tape teleprinter relay, and microwave relay activity formerly done by the Army. That continued by the USAF until 1978 when the whole thing was shut down and returned to the Japanese. Only a portion of the huge ADA receiver site (Camp Owada) remains, leased by the U.S. DIA as a monitoring station. Camp Tomilinson was built on a former Japanese airfield and about 1 mile by 2 miles in area, festooned with wire antennas for (then) 43 HF transmitters. Barracks and offices and mess for personnel were in one corner of the airfield. We literally lived IN an antenna field there (USAF folks did after they took over). The USA and USAF added some more transmitters, replaced some of the old ones. 24/7 operation by both service branches. All of that is gone now. HF radio is no longer a primary medium for military communications, has been relegated to a secondary role. Primary medium is the DSN, the "government's own Internet" through wirelines, fiber-optics, and satellite radio relay with terrestrial radio relay on microwave troposcatter and LOS terminals plus towed telephone central office equivalents available that can connect any unit if any existing communications infrastructure is totally destroyed. The problem is that U.S. amateur radio is NOT a military service nor even a paramilitary service. It is basically a hobby, a recreational activity involving radio. It is, by default, a hobby because federal regulations forbid monetary compensation for any radio communications rendered. Though monetary compensation is forbidden, it often occurs. Some call them "repeater dues." Be that as it may, the Amateur Service has been useful and probably will continue to be useful in emergency communications when other comms fail. Absolutely. ANY useable communications means is always useful in an extreme emergency. However, too many hams wallow in that possibility as if it were an everyday fact, wanting undue praise and respect for being part of it (yet not ever having been IN any emergency themselves). They don't understand that most emergencies are rather small- scale things, unlikely to make the cover of Time or Newsweek. There is the common thread among the "tribal rule" individuals that no one unlicensed in amateur radio can possibly know anything about amateur radio, therefore they should be silent. Preposterous since U.S. amateur radio activity is widely publicized (among those who care to find out) and federal regulations forbid any secrecy in amateur communications. I've seen it bragged on here that the ARRL Amateur Handbook is found in professional radio engineers library shelves. Must be a one way street. That may be true in some places and I have seen personal copies of the handbook on individual office bookshelves. Usually we are all awash in great heaping globs of other printed material and specifications. Reference textbooks are many and varied in any engineering environment. An ARRL Handbook there would be a rare find. Referencing an ARRL Handbook in a Report is likely to put one in the negative side of personnel review... :-) If the Handbook is the only big reference they have on radio, and never having seen what is available on ALL radio, they will naturally assume professionals use it too. They seldom do. A column by Robert W. Lucky in this months' issue of Spectrum, the IEEE membership magazine, addresses "archiving" of information with an example of his employer's (Lucent) library closure. No one on the staff of the FCC or the Commissioners themselves are required to have any amateur radio licenses, yet the FCC has the lawful duty to regulate amateur radio and mitigate interference matters, up to and including imposing fines and calling on U.S. Marshals to arrest extreme miscreants. That rather destroys their concept that "only other amateurs can tell them what to do." I hope someone in authority is watching the nutty one. He really spooks me. I have to ask, "WHICH nutty one?" :-) Amateur radios operate by exactly the same physics as radios in all other radio services. Propagation of radio waves occurs in exactly the same way as for all other radio services. There are no exceptions despite some odd ideas and strange misconceptions among certain radio amateurs. Might be because they do not understand other radio services and think amateur radio is special. True! Plus they've been fed information from a single source which uses selective editing to allow only part of the information to reach them. That results in a cult-like Belief that is very strong. Unreasonable, but strong. It is impossible to rationally discuss anything with certain people (such as Robeson) since they are too emotionally-driven and too prideful in their concept of their personal hobby involvement. They must - absolutely - have their way or all are treated to personally abusive remarks from them. I tire of him. He's irrational. Agreed. The above is representative of their non-reasoning in demanding a morse code test for all new amateurs...pure emotional basis on what they had to endure long ago (and probably resent). LHA / WMD uphill both ways. bb :-) LHA / WMD |
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