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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Able Baker Charlie From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 6/19/2004 6:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? I guess we can throw out as "irrelevent" the fact that there has been rather thorough documentation of the Armed Forces' use of "manual telegraphy" for routine communications right up to the 80's....And NOT "spoon fed by ARRL publications". And what might those "documentation" be, big-time military communicator? It couldn't be DoD Directive 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03) because nursie sure as heck doesn't understand that. How about all the alleged uses in Vietnam, 1962 through 1970, as documented on the U.S. Army Center for Military History website? Can't be that one, nursie never saw it, let alone read it. How about Field Manual FM 24-24, December 1994, the index of Signal Equipment? [available at the Gen. Dennis J. Reimer digital library, public distribution, even linked-to by several ham websites] It has all the land forces signal equipment in there, but, alas, no code keys. Tsk, tsk. How about "From Flares To Satellites," a USAF history document available for public download from the USAF Communications Agency website (public distribution also, but large at ~14 MB but has pictures for those who can't understand words with more than two capitalized letters such as "CW")? Sunnuvagun! Not a single one of those predates the 1990s! Must be a Big Conspiracy to "hide CW from the masses?" Riiiight...the motion picture "Independence Day" showed us all the REAL truth where "CW" is used to defeat alien space invaders!!!! Of course those are FACTS, and facts don't sit well with one who can't stand the truth. Riiiiiight. In nursieland there be only "FACTS" put there by nursie. Okay, any positive statements about morse code are allowed and even honored even though some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories. "some of the individuals involved are obviously fish stories."?? What does that mean? It means that if it ruins one of Lennie's rants it but be a fish story. Tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie added that nastygram just for the halibut. Those against morse code are evil, wicked, mean, and nasty, are always incorrect and should never be considered. :-) Why should anyone be "against morse code"? Becasue to be "for" Morse Code is to be AGAINST Lennie...Can't have that now! Who is "becasue?" [spelled Becky Sue wrong, nursie] So...the morse code TEST issue is not for U.S. amateur radio licensing?!?!? It is all about nursie's hatred and outrage over someone he calls "Lennie?" tsk, tsk. Nurise either gone bonkers or has mis-read Steinbeck's "Of Mice And Men." [the character of Lenny does a murder in that one...] So, some olde-tyme hamme can say he "shot bears for navel intelligence" and that be okay. Navel intel is fine as long as person is for morse code. Do you mean the pictures taken by W3RV? Guess what - they're real. Like it or not, civilian contractors do go out on US Navy ships. And they do see - and photograph - some pretty unusual stuff. Riiiiiight. All the newsgroup readers have seen those "real pictures." Suuurrrrre. :-) Nursie done flipped out, big time. tsk, tsk. Yup, like nursie believe Kellie has "26 patents?" :-) [actually, only one, the other 25 are foreign filings for the same thing...which doesn't beat mine (3,848,191) assigned to RCA which has 27 foreign filings...:-) ] Once again Lennie displays his colors with the "olde tyme hamme" reference. Poor baby. Resent getting to be an OF? [pushing 50, nursie, quit pretending to be under 30...get a toupee and get those teeth fixed] Do you think it's OK to tell someone else in a newsgroup to "shut up", Len? Obviously he does. He does it frequently. Usually when he's got his tail caught under yet another rocking chair, which is pretty frequently these days! Riiiiight. The OF diss-and-cusser wants to more of the same because his license (engraved border, suitable for framing) says it is "okay" for him to diss-and-cuss since he passed a test! :-) The ROE of this newsgroup is: 1. Any kind of language or lack of civility by any morse code proponent is perfectly acceptible, even encouraged. No it isn't. Tsk, tsk, tsk...VERY true by easily observed examples. :-) For years. :-) KH2D was a master at that. Learn from the master, grasshopper. No more or no less than the use of blatant profanity by allegedly college educated, "professional" engineers who are "against" Morse Code. Well, heck and darn, gotta cut down on all those profane words like "eliminate the morse code test," certainly those terrible four-letter words like "code" and "test." :-) Some sissies in here get into hissy-fits with strong language! 2. Anything said by anyone who does not love, honor, cherish morse code is to be denigrated, insulted, vilified, and looked at nasty just because of what they think. Not at all. No more or less than the insistence by certain alleged "professionals" that Amateurs show awe and reverence to them as our "superiors"...Recent suggestions by one of those alleged professionals that some in this forum are "jealous" or otherwise despise them for BEING an (alleged) engineer is a prime example. Awe shucks, Maude, sissie inna hissy-fit again, him laffin' an' carryin' on about superior intellect or somthin'... tsk, tsk, tsk... All of those sub- humans must always behave civilly and show respect for the code lovers even if the code lovers are behaving as iceholes. That pretty well sums it up. Really? Again with the inference of profanity. Some professional. "Icehole" is profane? Nursie insulting Minnesotans' big winter sport locations? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Well, maybe I should have split it into two words? Ya know, like "Nursie is an ice hole." Sound better? Rev. Jimmie, go back to Google where you live... WHO is "Rev. Jimmie", Len? Sheeesh, Jim...You don't expect Lennie will ever live up to his own rhetoric and treat others in the same way he demands that HE be treated...even when you ARE treating him the way he expects...?!?! Yup, Maude, sissie still got the hissy-fits... Almost seven years now and I STILL have yet to see him do as he professes or what he says he will do. Well, I admit that trying to change the FCC's mind on eliminating the morse code test from U.S. amateur radio licensing IS a long, hard task. Been at that since 1988. Sooner or later, that WILL happen... :-) Yes, I did officially retire in 1997 and I AM enjoying that, as I said I would. :-) This project of inventing anti-gravity IS VERY DIFFICULT. Not going at all as good as I expected. Something is holding me down... Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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(N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: Not in the mid- to late-1950s, senior. :-) Exactly. When you were in Japan, there weren't even any Bear bombers in service. Okay, on the basis for one wrong statement, you mount an "air" assault? :-) Nope. On the basis of a whole pattern of your errors, I point them out. ;-) Sounds like nursie after the remedial English classes. "WHOLE *PATTERN* OF ERRORS!!!" :-) Billions and billions served? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Rev. Jimmie Who mounts the antenna and transmits a Sermon. Meanwhile, I thought this thread to be about Phonetic Alphabets. Must be the "new" English. It's really about some angry extra trying to get even for losing arguments in here years ago. Yawn. Rev. Jimmie Who is very predictable in that he WILL bring up old arguments time and again. We readers aren't sure exactly WHAT will be brought up and WHEN...and that lends a bit of suspense to the proceedings. Okay, so Rev. Jimmie Who says this thread is "not" about phonetic alphabets. In that case, "Able Baker Charlie" (in the subject field) must be about some skilled baker with the given name of Charles. THAT doesn't have much to do with amateur radio, let alone amateur radio policy, does it? Rev. Jimmie Who, you are becoming more cryptic every day. Reminder: FCC sayeth amateur communications must not contain encryption or anything intended to obscure meanings. The 'mean' of "meanings" is obscured, but still visible. So...tell us about YOUR days in military communications? Or civilian communications (other than amateur)? LHA / WMD |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way. As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft some witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts, Lennie! "Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you? Bon apetit and temper fry... Seems I am not the one with an appetite problem, Lennie. Have you seen a doctor about your problem, puppetnursie? He did appear a little "puffy" in his CAP flight suit. I wonder if the CAP has a "weight management" program for those that like to pretend they're thin when they're not. Or do you do your own diagnoses, like practicing medicine without the legal license? [a big no-no in most states] He no do nuttin illegal. He one squared away marine. All his stuff in one sock. Get some mental therapy, puppetnursie. That would help all those around you...if not yourself... He no care 'bout others. Sociopathy CAN be cured. I'll bet this case cannot. |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (William) Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation. Correct. I QSL'd 100%. It's easy to do when there's nothing to send. Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his stinger got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-) "Nothing to send." 100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card. Steve is telling an "untruth." SOP. Nursie NEVER lie. Not allowed. Congenital. Like Hillary Hillary never lied? :-) That should be the sub-title of every post nursie makes. "My boots are heavy, My chin strap is tight..." Other than humorous jody songs, his posts earn a "NCI." (NCI = No Content Indicator) "I don't know, but I've been told, old old arguments are mighty cold...hup, too, tree, Foah!" :-) I think he played a bit part in "Small Soldiers." I didn't see that one. Did he do the biting or was he the one that got bit? :-) "I will beep my key in a military manner, keeping always on the alert for the NCI, dissing and cussing those within sight and hearing." - General Order #1 of the PCTA sentinels. Some suggested phonetics for code-aholics for use in speech since they don't seem to do much of that and may need an aid in getting through - obviously picked for those in favor of morris goad who like to Jerk around the NCTA about how Able and Brave the Code men are and how Code is Dandy, Easy, Fast, Great, a Hymn to all who hear it while they Insist, like Jerks that Code is King and all must Love Morse because it is Nifty and all Obey Morse with a Passion. We can Quote them on Morse being Rapid, Safe, Tough, Uniting all of the Morse Vice who must Win. Able Brave Code Dandy Easy Fast Great Hymn Insist Jerk King Love Morse Nifty Obey Passion Quote Rapid Safe Tough Unite Vice Win Xcellent* Yummy Zero * had trouble there due to too few X words available...:-) Dit dit LHA / WMD |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Able Baker Charlie From: (William) Date: 6/19/2004 10:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Ditto the number of active hams hamming it up for WWII [exactly zero (0)]. But that does not stop some from revering the contributions that hams hamming it up made in WWII [exactly zero (0)]. You made this up, right? No, nursie, Brian is correct. The U.S. government stopped amateur radio transmissions during WW2. Really. It was in all the ham magazines and everything. Didn't you see it? Saw it in a magazine. It could have even been a defunct magazine. More over, do you BELIEVE what you wrote? I ask because there is more than a small amount of evidence to the contrary. I don't think Brian is old enough to be alive during WW2, but I was and I believe the U.S. government shut down amateur radio transmitting during WW2. Even the ARRL acknowledges that. Really! Just like R.R.A.P. isn't Ham Radio, whatever those guys were doing during WWII wasn't Ham Radio. But there are some very confused folks here who think that "MARS IS Amateur Radio," so I guess they might also think that "Military Radio IS Amateur Radio." Who really knows what they think. It's mostly incoherent, irrational yelling. BTW, did you know that a Morse Exam acts as a disincentive to CW use on HF? And that MARS IS Amateur Radio? Hi, hi. These guys keep getting sillier and sillier. Kinda like "Unlicensed devices play a major role in "emergency comms"...?!?! No, more like "CW gets through when nothing else will..." Actually, CW gets through when everything else will. Or, that morse testing has to continue for "traditional" reasons (and because olde-tyme hammes are pished out and insist all newcomers have to "work as hard" as they did...because). An anachronism. It might also be about 26 patents when only 1 exists or shooting bears from an aircraft carrier or some Chesty Puller wanna-be saying "I was in seven hostile actions" and never revealing the When or Where of those. It could also be those old-tyme hammes who made big noises about "I design and build my own ham radios" who, a few days later would talk a lot about his latest Kit project. I've never seen orders for the seven hostile actions. They must not have actually occurred. I've never seen the schematics for the home designed (by a PE) amateur radio station. Perhaps they don't exist. Perhaps they do. Of course, those same individuals have to misdirect a thread into their oh-so-very-important-personal-battles in order to diss-and-cuss those of opposite opinions. One in particular. This thread started out about Phonetic Alphabets. The "Able, Baker, Charlie..." U.S. phonetic alphabet is familiar to me because I learned it and used it in the U.S. Army. That set was replaced by the NATO phonetic alphabet ("Alpha, Bravo..") adopted in 1955. I am familiar with that since I was IN the U.S. Army at that time, learned it and used it in military communications. That's unalterable fact despite what those weren't born then or mere infants at the time say. Strange coincidence. I learned it in the U.S. military also. The NATO phonetic alphabet was adopted by the International Civil Aviation Organization shortly after the U.S. military adopted it. Some in here want to argue and argue that phonetic alphabet is called the "ICAO phonetic alphabet." That's rather petty. NATO had it first. That's unalterable fact. All the aggressive argumentation going on in here seems to be little more than a disguise to diss-and-cuss certain personalities, certainly not the subject matter. LHA / WMD No Content in all of that agressive argumentation. |
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In article , Alun writes: Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake. For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it approved for DXCC. Alun, if there be some etymology of that thread, no "DXCC" was involved. No contesting at all was involved. It began when Heil made some chance remark about "working Frenchmen on 6m out of band." Brian Burke tossed that one back to him with some mild ascerbicity which caused Heil to go bananas. Nursie got out his rusty bayonet, locked and loaded, and made like the Charge of Lite Brigade (which led into the Valley of Death of his of today). Nursie never got to Somalia, certainly not to any "hostile action" there (or anyplace else with any proof) but Brian Burke did. Brian earlier had made a chance remark about operating from there on ham frequencies, getting permission from his commanding officer. That resulted in a long, overdrawn word battle and flame war with Heil who was resentful (to the max) of anyone having the temerity to toss him a rejoinder. Nursie jumped in on that with usual diss-and-cuss, trying to make like a legal eagle with smarts instead of the hummingbird with dumbth. The PCTA of this newsgrope all seem to be self-righteous, prissy puritans of perfection who will explode with outrage at the slightest provocation of their beloved manual telegraphy as being anything less than the ultimate skill of amateurs. It's almost as Henry Ford put it on the color of the Model T: "You can have any opinion you want, so long as its pro- code." That's the "new" freedom of speech in here. Enjoy. I got back from a week of aerial operations, drove by the storage unit, and checked that the lock wasn't jimmied ("jimmied" is a common use for B/E, not a slam against the Rev. Jim). My T5 logs are safe and secure. One day they may have real historical value. I could divide them up and run some through Christie's and the others through Sothby's. Maybe I'll just make a run of numbered copies, suitable for framing. |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 15 Jun 2004 21:08:55 GMT Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 6/15/2004 3:58 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you? As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the claims he made, yes. Why? He may know just where they are. I have no doubt that he knows just where they are! Then what's the problem? First Steve says that he is going to insist that I lost my logs, then he says that he has no doubt that I know where they are. Somewhere in there is a deliberate falsehood. Probably all of it. They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another. Maybe...maybe not. And the problem with that is? 73 de Jim, N2EY The problem is that Steve demands evidence, but has no right to demand anything. I have no need or desire to comply, and that infuriates the ex-Marine. I recommend stress management for him before that bulging artery in his neck explodes. |
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