RadioBanter - Able Baker Charlie (or is that Avacado Bascule Cumquat?)

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(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
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You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it,
it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain
if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed
away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a
T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some
pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?

Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on
2m
FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was
with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was
via
the local repeater in PJ7.

Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters,
and
at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly
made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite
credible,
even with a very makeshift station.

Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.

Kelly NEVER served in the armed forces of the United States.

Kelly does NOT understand the military chain of command.

Permission to do anything IN the military is granted by ranking
officers.

Didn't Kelly hear that at the Captain's Table while dining with
all that rank? No? Tsk, tsk.

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.

Amazing at the range and scope of rationalization for HATING
another newsgroup poster by the high-society ham extras.

Kelly should explain his "superiority" in not only radio but relative
to the rest of society. [Kelly is "superior" only because he claims
that while busy inflating past claims to a greatness never before
seen by hamkind]

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.

Kelly has taken on a new role...that of International Regulator
And Punisher of anything an NCTA says.

Yawn.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.

Kelly is allowed to inflate his single patent to 26. Kelly is PCTA.
[proof is with the U.S. Patent Office and several patent websites,
showing only one...and that one as co-inventor]]

Kelli is allowed to shoot bears from an aircraft carrier. Kelly is
PCTA. [there is no proof of this but Kelly will damn anyone who
disputes it]

Kelly claims knowledge of WW2 military vehicles and their radios
as absolute truths. Kelly is PCTA. [proof is in many places,
including old documents of the U.S. military disputing that]

Kelly has repeatedly damned others opposing his fish stories.
Kelly is PCTA. That is approved under the ROE of this news-
group trying to be dominated by PCTA.

They are PCTA, hear them ROAR! :-)

LHA / WMD

All that and more from a guy who was so confused that he thought I was
putting up an antenna at -his- house. Yup, he's got "real" military
experience and never been in uniform. Another Walter Mitty wannabe.

But...he DID dine at the Captain's Table! :-) :-) :-)

He comes from a higher class than us "drudges!" :-)

Marie called me, offered a cake to send him. Maybe I will.

Trouble is, Marie is another snooty, emotional type. She
loses her head easily...

LHA / WMD