RadioBanter - Able Baker Charlie (or is that Avacado Bascule Cumquat?)

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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In article , Alun
writes:

(N2EY) wrote in
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In article ,
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
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You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't
you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for
the claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit
another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage
unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT
is fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply
avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's
pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if
they really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away,
etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces
of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig,
etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?

Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m

FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with
another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via

the local repeater in PJ7.

Perfect example! Thanks, Alun!

In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters,
and
at
least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made.
Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite
credible,
even with a very makeshift station.

Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here.

Absolutely.

Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet
except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no
nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of
civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military
force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the
Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically
irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies.

There seems to be some dispute as to what level in the military command
structure can authorize amateur operation, and what level of paperwork is
necessary.

You two Veterans of the military can establish that, can't you?

After all, another PCTA has flattly stated "MARS IS amateur
radio."

Since MARS is rather obviously military, defined by DoD and not
the FCC, then it is a simple extension of such knowledge to
say that military communications is also amateur. :-)

Next time you two dine at the Captain's Table, bring it up.

In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into
PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being
big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork
right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing
authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a
legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter.

Absolutely agree.

PCTA extras always agree.

Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame
altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his
tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on
ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The
ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of
which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that
expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to
operate an amateur radio station in T5.

How do we know this for sure?

Kelly said so, therefore it be TRVTH!

Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another
simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya
wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate
ham radio operation.

Again - how do we *know* that the required authorization wasn't obtained?

If Kelly say it be "freebanding or pirate," it BE so.

I agree 100% that if such authority wasn't obtained, it wasn't an amateur
operation at all.

"MARS is amateur radio." :-)

In any event, the claimed operation allegedly took place on 10 meters and
allegedly involved at least two QSOs.

Rev. Jimmie Who should write a big book expose' of this whole
thing.

It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac
was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and
did what they usually do.

T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere.

The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's
"T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the
freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham
radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his
kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks.

The thing I find interesting is the last paragraph of my post, below. *Nobody*
is claiming to have worked T5/N0IMD, nor complaining about not getting a QSL
card. In DX circles, that kinda says it all.

Right. You two military veterans ought to go to the VA for help,
expose all that "illegal freebanding and piracy," even filing
charges with the USAF Judge Advocate General's office!

*if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true?

And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked
T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the
alleged operation.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I want to be slim, but I don't want to be a slim.

You are PCTA, hear you ROAR!

LHA / WMD