KØHB wrote:
"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote


As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......


No you're not.

Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to
use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you
wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy.

I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it. Of course that only goes for
the languages I recognize.


- Mike -

"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB

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"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB





I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa.
Jamaica would be better.

"Alun" wrote in message
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"KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723
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"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international
place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB





I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa.
Jamaica would be better.

But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal.

You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters
will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your
Q-rate spiraling down the crapper.

73, de Hans, K0HB
Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better.

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"Alun" wrote in message
...
"KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723
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"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international
place names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB





I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa.
Jamaica would be better.

But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal.

You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters
will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your
Q-rate spiraling down the crapper.

73, de Hans, K0HB
Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better.





Any word that sounds like a different letter in the international phonetic
alphabet should be avoided like the plague

"Alun" wrote
I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with
Papa.
Jamaica would be better.

But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal.

You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced
contesters
will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your
Q-rate spiraling down the crapper.

73, de Hans, K0HB
Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better.


Any word that sounds like a different letter in the international
phonetic
alphabet should be avoided like the plague

Experience trumps theory, and in my experience using "Jamaica" as
phonetics for "J" would call for an instant fill and put a 3dB
down-spike on my rate meter.

If it's all the same with you, I'll just run down to the clinic and get
a plague shot and then continue my sinful ways.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" wrote in news:%zHyc.2703$Wr.1505
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"Alun" wrote
I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with
Papa. Jamaica would be better.

But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal.

You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced
contesters will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you.
There goes your Q-rate spiraling down the crapper.

73, de Hans, K0HB
Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better.


Any word that sounds like a different letter in the international
phonetic alphabet should be avoided like the plague

Experience trumps theory, and in my experience using "Jamaica" as
phonetics for "J" would call for an instant fill and put a 3dB
down-spike on my rate meter.

If it's all the same with you, I'll just run down to the clinic and get
a plague shot and then continue my sinful ways.

73, de Hans, K0HB






You can do whatever you like, but it is precisely _because_ you and others
use 'Japan' as a phonetic that I have problems with people who think that
was what I said when I correctly pronounce the correct phonetic for the
letter P. This sucks!

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

Back when my call was w3yik and I used Washington Thuree Yokohama
Italy Kilowatt the guy on the other end of the pileup often worked
three whilst waiting for me to finish my long-winded ID speil. Hideous
phonetics. Whiskey Thuree Yolk Ida Kilo worked much better. I think
those were some sort of ancient military standard phonetics.

Then I "transitioned" from ham radio to a bit of flying. Early in that
experience I called Philips Army on Unicom and used "my" phonetics to
ask permission to pass thru their control zone at 1200. The freq lit
up like the tower of babble, Philips tower simply ignored me so I had
to wind a couple spot 360s up to 3500 and climb over the control zone
instead getting their permission to fly thru it.

I dunno how many others reamed me a new one good for using squirrely
phonetics. It didn't get any better when I got back on the ground and
to deal with the hanger bums who also heard it all.

I ain't never going thru anything like that again no way nohow.

Today "Romeo Victor" cuts thru the crap like a knife. You couldn't pay
me enough to use "radio victoria" if the guy is a new one. And "we"
don't much bother with our prefixes in the pileups these days huh
Hans?


73, de Hans, K0HB

w3rv

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

Today "Romeo Victor" cuts thru the crap like a knife.

"Echo Yankee" does almost as well.

73 de Jim, N2EY