"Alun" wrote

You can do whatever you like, but it is precisely _because_ you and
others
use 'Japan' as a phonetic that I have problems with people who think
that
was what I said when I correctly pronounce the correct phonetic for
the
letter P. This sucks!

Suck it may, but "Papa" and "Japan" do not sound alike to me. If you
say "Papa", I'll never type "J" into my log.

"Bravo" and "Papa" are much more often confused in my experience, and
both of them are on the "approved" phonetic set. "Oscar" and "Bravo"
are similarly often copied one for the other.

I've never known anyone to confuse "Portugal" for "Japan", "Brazil" for
"Portugal", or "Ontario" for "Brazil". Perhaps that's why this set is
so widely preferred over the ICAO set.

73, de Hans, K0HB

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)

Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children, yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its historical
importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/13/2004 8:07 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)

Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children,
yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its
historical
importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on
a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to
the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license
class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

You forgot a few, Jim:

Like someone who has never been a licensed aviator who tries to advise
current aviators on navigation aid functions and techniques.

Like somone who has no training, certification or licensure in ANY
healthcare profession trying to one-upmanship those who are.

Let us not forget those who have attempted to embellish thier military
service record with the sacrifices of Soldiers who were KIA three years before
the commenter was ever IN the military.

And there are those who make scathing comments on the nature and character
of various volunteer organizations although they themselves have never been in
any of these organizations, and in one case where they hadn't even reached
puberty when they made thier "observations" on those organizations.

The list goes on.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/12/2004 5:34 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/11/2004 11:50 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy...(SNIP)

Ebonics goes Caucasian. Why am I not surprised Son Of Lennie came up
with
it?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, no thanks for the private email, even though I've asked you
repeatedly not to communicate with me privately. I really do prefer
to keep all comms with you strictly public. You broke the rules, but
certainly in keeping with your mode of operation.

No problem, Brain.

YOU made promises about certain "private" e mails before that you overtly
broke...

Just like your mentor...

So how is it that you can call people liars all day long, give people
a deadline to produce some google search, hound and hound those who
disagree with you, and in general be the sweetheart pariah of the
PCTA?

But when someone else calls you a liar, when you have lied, you
threaten a summons. Are you nuts? No. Don't answer that question.
I don't want any more lies out of you.

I've not uttered any lies here, Brain.

You've made THAT accusation before and never substantiated it. Just like
you've never justified ANY of the claims YOU'VE made.

You make accusations and claims you don't justify then cry "foul!" when
you get spoon fed your own silliness.

Sucks to be you, Brain. Seems it's a well worn path, though.

So congratulations on earning persona non grata. You've truly worked
hard at ii. Earned, Never Given.

According to YOU...?!?!

HAH!

And FWIW, the fenetic alfabet was a joke, but leave it to the mentally
impaired to think is was a serious effort.

I KNOW it was a joke. I have yet to see a whole lot come out of you that
I could take seriously. How could I?

Sayonara and have a great life.

As long as I have folks like you and Lennie against which I can benchmark
what is bad as compared to what is good, it IS a great life.

You REALLY don't get it, do you?

Steve, K4YZ

N2EY wrote:
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


After you've lived and experienced a few eras in anything, you'll
find lots and lots of "experts" in that anything, who either "know
all about (from reading a book or seeing a movie)" or are some-
how so gifted in their relative youth that they are divine
messengers sent to enlighten all the hoi polloi and the koi.
:-)


Gee, Len, that's interesting....

You mean like someone who's never held any class of amateur license, nor been
involved in radio regulation in any way, yet loudly and repeatedly proclaims
what changes should be made to the amateur radio regulations?

Or someone who has never been directly invoved in the raising of children, yet
proclaims what they can and cannot do at various ages - even to the point of
not allowing them to be amateur radio operators before a certain age?

Or someone who has never really learned or used Morse Code, yet loudly and
repeatedly denies its usefulness - even to the point of denying its historical
importance?

Or someone who claims a desire for "civil discussion", yet will not carry on a
civil discussion with someone of differing opinions, and instead refers to the
other parties by ad-hominem insults to their age, work, gender, license class,
education, name, ethnicity, and military service?

You forgot to add:

"Someone that has a main purpose here of antagonizing people into
e-battles as a master troll." And in this case, his lack of experience
in certain areas only serves as more bait.

I for one, am impressed by just how GOOD Mr. Anderson is at this! You
(or anyone here) know what will happen when you rise to the bait, you
know pretty much what the resulting exchange will be, and yet it is
irresistable.

Whereas most antagonists eventually find no one to write to in a news
group, Len has managed to generate enough interest to make himself and
those who would spar with him into some of the leading posters.

This is no small accomplishment. I for one have to respect that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yep, the still do, or at least something extremely close to it.....

Ryan
KC8PMX


"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
nk.net...
Wasn't aware they were still being used.

Go for it.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of
work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles
etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like
'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I
guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ?
Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

If not required by laws or rules, then it is required out of some level of
operational courtesy though.

Ryan
KC8PMX


"KØHB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote

As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

No you're not.

Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to
use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you
wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy.

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
SOC #291 http://www.qsl.net/soc

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:


As a
ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

There is no rule that a ham must use a certain set if phonetics.

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/12/2004 5:34 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/11/2004 11:50 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy...(SNIP)

Ebonics goes Caucasian. Why am I not surprised Son Of Lennie came up
with it?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, no thanks for the private email, even though I've asked you
repeatedly not to communicate with me privately. I really do prefer
to keep all comms with you strictly public. You broke the rules, but
certainly in keeping with your mode of operation.

No problem, Brain.

YOU made promises about certain "private" e mails before that you
overtly broke...

Just like your mentor...

Poor baby. Still fretting over AOL tossing off your private home page
that was totally libelous? :-)

And all because of a simple mistake in private e-mails which nursie
complained long and loudly about in public in here? :-)

PCTA Exta double standard at work. QED.

So how is it that you can call people liars all day long, give people
a deadline to produce some google search, hound and hound those who
disagree with you, and in general be the sweetheart pariah of the
PCTA?

But when someone else calls you a liar, when you have lied, you
threaten a summons. Are you nuts? No. Don't answer that question.
I don't want any more lies out of you.

I've not uttered any lies here, Brain.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-)

You've made THAT accusation before and never substantiated it. Just
like you've never justified ANY of the claims YOU'VE made.

Nursie never ever do anything wrong. Everyone else do wrong! :-)

You make accusations and claims you don't justify then cry "foul!" when
you get spoon fed your own silliness.

Sucks to be you, Brain. Seems it's a well worn path, though.

More "meaningful discourse." :-)

So congratulations on earning persona non grata. You've truly worked
hard at ii. Earned, Never Given.

According to YOU...?!?!

HAH!

And FWIW, the fenetic alfabet was a joke, but leave it to the mentally
impaired to think is was a serious effort.

I KNOW it was a joke. I have yet to see a whole lot come out of you
that I could take seriously. How could I?

Sayonara and have a great life.

As long as I have folks like you and Lennie against which I can benchmark
what is bad as compared to what is good, it IS a great life.

You REALLY don't get it, do you?

Nobody does. Nursie's personal reality is there and this is
it for him.

Meanwhile, DoD Directive 4650.2, AR 25-4, NTP 8(C) are still
there, defining and regulating MARS for the Military.

NATO did adopt its phonetic alphabet in 1955...the next to the
last year I was on active duty in the U.S. Army.

None of that happened according to nursie. All of us "Lie."
The real truth is in his imagination. Tsk, tsk.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

In article , Mike Coslo
(jumping in on the Sermon On The Antenna
Mount trolling) writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

snip of today's hellfire sermon...

You forgot to add:

"Someone that has a main purpose here of antagonizing people into
e-battles as a master troll." And in this case, his lack of experience
in certain areas only serves as more bait.

Awww...poor Mike got his ego perceived as stepped on?

Mike, I've been involved with radio communications since the beginning
of that in early 1953. That's 51 years.

The subject thread is supposed to be on phonetic alphabets. No
problem, I've used those since 1953 and the NATO phonetic
alphabet since 1955 (49 years for that). Is that "lack of experience?"
:-)

I for one, am impressed by just how GOOD Mr. Anderson is at this! You
(or anyone here) know what will happen when you rise to the bait, you
know pretty much what the resulting exchange will be, and yet it is
irresistable.

In other words, you DEMAND that ALL like, honor, love, and cherish
your own preferences and cannot stomach an opposite viewpoint?
:-)

Whhhooooo...you guys are in the WRONG venue to have such an
attitude on the Internet!!! :-)

Whereas most antagonists eventually find no one to write to in a news
group, Len has managed to generate enough interest to make himself and
those who would spar with him into some of the leading posters.

"Leading posters?" :-)

You mean all those wonderful folks who yell "PUTZ" and "Son of
Lennie" and "Sucks to be you" or the snarly types tawkin tuff and
trying to stuff opposite opinions into the ground?

Yup. "Leading posters." Like the ads for some up-coming horror
fantasy movie showing blood, agony, and gore all over the wall. :-)

This is no small accomplishment. I for one have to respect that.

The only ones asking for "respect" are the telegraphy gods of hum
radio, demanding all love, honor, and cherish their "superior" mode
of modes, and thus Rule over all "inferior" beings. :-)

But, the subject title was "phonetic alphabets," wasn't it?

Got a tad off the subject into Personal Hatred, dintcha? :-)

"These things just seem to write themselves" - another hum god

LHA / WMD