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October 21st 04, 07:57 PM

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (N2EY)
Date: 10/21/2004 12:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in
RRAP
suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem".

That's right.

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some
other group of people may have acted stupidly.

That depends on the definition of "stupid".

That's why I said "may", Jim. Nothing in what Brain cited was
inappropriate.

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or
myself,
among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over
not
being an Extra class licensee.

Let's clear this up.

The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio
organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting
and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not
much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus
on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and
progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have
computers in their hamshacks).

Which would answer why the possession of an Extra MIGHT make the
difference.

In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a
necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the
way it is.

Then that IS the difference.

So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for
membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that
bunch indicates a problem someplace.

The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short
time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all.

Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite
group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale.

Nothing like documented results to prove a point.

The emphasis, for Brain's benefit, on the word DOCUMENTED.

73

Steve, K4YZ

October 22nd 04, 11:54 AM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (N2EY)
Date: 10/21/2004 12:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in
RRAP
suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem".

That's right.

The claim was that "several Extras here on rrap" said it. That's simply false.

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some
other group of people may have acted stupidly.

That depends on the definition of "stupid".

That's why I said "may", Jim. Nothing in what Brain cited was
inappropriate.

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or
myself,
among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over
not
being an Extra class licensee.

Let's clear this up.

The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio
organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting
and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not
much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus
on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and
progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have
computers in their hamshacks).

Which would answer why the possession of an Extra MIGHT make the
difference.

What the back benchers were saying was: "How come this guy doesn't realize that
any serious DXer/contester who wants to join our club would get an Extra
first?"

How could anyone disagree with that?

In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a
necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the
way it is.

Then that IS the difference.

Exactly. Having that license *does* make a difference in how well someone can
do what the club is focused on. "What's his problem", in that context, meant
"doesn't this guy understand how basic that is?"

Take contesting, for example. There are folks who think they are doing well if
they make 15 QSOs/hr in a major contest, and can keep that rate up for 12
hours. And for their setups and skills, they *are* doing well! Yet among other
folks, 30 QSOs/hr for 24 hours (twice the rate, twice as long, four times the
score or more) isn't considered "doing well" at all. All depends on your
concept of what "doing well in the contest" is.

So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for
membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that
bunch indicates a problem someplace.

The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short
time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all.

Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite
group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale.

btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries isn't
a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus on.

To paraphrase what was written earlier: Nobody, regardless of license class,
has all the answers or knows all of it.

That doesn't mean everyone's knowledge is the same, or that everyone's opinion
is equally valid/of equal value.

73 de Jim, N2EY

October 22nd 04, 01:08 PM

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/22/2004 5:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries
isn't
a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus on.

No offense taken.

I know that a lot of the "big ones" are in the bottom 25kHz, but at the
same time, a lot of them transmit in the bottom 25 and listen up. That's where
I caught a lot of them.

Although I know you can use "past" callsigns collectively to get your
DXCC, I reworked almost all of them again under K4YZ to get my DXCC. A few
were left overs from when I held my 2X1, but most were done over...just to do
it.

73

Steve, K4YZ

October 23rd 04, 01:46 AM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/22/2004 5:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries
isn't
a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus on.

No offense taken.

I know that a lot of the "big ones" are in the bottom 25kHz, but at the
same time, a lot of them transmit in the bottom 25 and listen up. That's where
I caught a lot of them.

Although I know you can use "past" callsigns collectively to get your
DXCC, I reworked almost all of them again under K4YZ to get my DXCC. A few
were left overs from when I held my 2X1, but most were done over...just to do
it.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Meow, meow. Purr, purr. Lick, lick.

October 24th 04, 07:43 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/22/2004 5:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries
isn't
a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus on.

No offense taken.

btw - is that 115 countries worked, or 115 countries confirmed?

I know that a lot of the "big ones" are in the bottom 25kHz, but at the
same time, a lot of them transmit in the bottom 25 and listen up. That's
where I caught a lot of them.

Of course.

Although I know you can use "past" callsigns collectively to get your
DXCC, I reworked almost all of them again under K4YZ to get my DXCC. A few
were left overs from when I held my 2X1, but most were done over...just to do
it.

But wouldn't it be easier to work them with a shorter call? ;-)

73 de Jim, N2EY

October 25th 04, 06:02 AM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/22/2004 5:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries
isn't
a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus on.

No offense taken.

btw - is that 115 countries worked, or 115 countries confirmed?

115 confirmed...135 worked last I counted...I ahven't been
proactively collecting cards since I moved to Winchester.

I know that a lot of the "big ones" are in the bottom 25kHz, but at the
same time, a lot of them transmit in the bottom 25 and listen up. That's
where I caught a lot of them.

Of course.

Although I know you can use "past" callsigns collectively to get your
DXCC, I reworked almost all of them again under K4YZ to get my DXCC. A few
were left overs from when I held my 2X1, but most were done over...just to do
it.

But wouldn't it be easier to work them with a shorter call?

I haven't had a "long" call since February 1980!~

I never really cared for the 2 x 1 format a whole lot. I always
wanted a "K" call 1x2 or 1x3.

The "YZ" worked for me in two ways...first it sounds very
distinctive on CW, and secondly since one of the USMC units I was in
had the tail "modex" of "YZ".

I received a bunch of nice 160M QSL cards that were actaully
meant for "KC8MK", not my old call of "KC8M"...I've not received any
misdirected cards since I switched to K4YZ in 96.

73

Steve, K4YZ

October 25th 04, 10:52 PM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/22/2004 5:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

btw, Steve, no disrespect intended, but among those folks, 115 countries
isn't
a big deal. Twice that many isn't! It's just a matter of what they focus
on.

No offense taken.

btw - is that 115 countries worked, or 115 countries confirmed?

115 confirmed...135 worked last I counted...I ahven't been
proactively collecting cards since I moved to Winchester.

roger that!

I know that a lot of the "big ones" are in the bottom 25kHz, but at the
same time, a lot of them transmit in the bottom 25 and listen up. That's
where I caught a lot of them.

Of course.

Although I know you can use "past" callsigns collectively to get your
DXCC, I reworked almost all of them again under K4YZ to get my DXCC. A
few
were left overs from when I held my 2X1, but most were done over...just to
do
it.

But wouldn't it be easier to work them with a shorter call?

I haven't had a "long" call since February 1980!~

Nor I, since 1977!

I never really cared for the 2 x 1 format a whole lot. I always
wanted a "K" call 1x2 or 1x3.

I got mine during a period when there was no choice except "I want a 1x2 or
2x1".

The "YZ" worked for me in two ways...first it sounds very
distinctive on CW, and secondly since one of the USMC units I was in
had the tail "modex" of "YZ".

cool

I received a bunch of nice 160M QSL cards that were actaully
meant for "KC8MK", not my old call of "KC8M"...I've not received any
misdirected cards since I switched to K4YZ in 96.

It happens!

73 de Jim, N2EY

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