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October 27th 04, 02:30 AM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. May a thousand "camel humpers" (?is that what Steve called them?) move into my nice neighborhood. |
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October 27th 04, 01:44 PM
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William wrote:
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - |
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October 27th 04, 08:54 PM
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Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote: PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? |
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October 27th 04, 09:30 PM
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William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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#6
October 28th 04, 10:32 AM
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Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election I've often wondered what the world would be like today if we'd let the Krauts take the Kremlin back then instead of backing Stalin . . And THEN have creamed the Krauts. They almost did! But Adolf managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by such dumb moves as dividing his invasion force and exterminating rather than befriending the Ukranians. The high point of German occupation of the USSR came just before Pearl Harbor. Then they started being pushed back. Had Stalin lost, the western alliance would have had the job of defeating a Germany that had USSR's resources behind it, and no second front. Scary 73 de Jim, N2EY Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" - Mike KB3EIA - Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Because they were nothing more than a mouthpiece for the left. No point in tax dollars funding that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. What control did they have previously? I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. - Mike KB3EIA - It's a sham when NPR rolls over to BBC at night. |
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October 30th 04, 05:21 PM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#8
October 30th 04, 07:44 PM
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N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. Just no need to be so sensitive! I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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October 31st 04, 01:25 PM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Social Democrats. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what you are doing. Have you ever done that Jim? It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... I especially liked your factoid where "a morse code exam acts as a barrier to morse code use." That was a gem. And I didn't even argue with it because it's true enough. But you argued with it. Then there is my all time favorite, uttered by Steve, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Steve's been backpedalling ever since. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA are constantly on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off topic. So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math, and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very own "Off Topic" drum. And you hate it. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Imprecisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? Are you emoticon blind? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Who are those people? Name them. I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of importance: Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam. Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? Daily. I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features someone or some group with problems that only the government will be able to solve. I never realized that we had so many problems until I started listening to NPR. Then I realized that most of those people with problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one earning or no earning parent, ... Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? Please name the other outfit(s) that can compete with Halliburton. Please explain why Clinton gave Halliburton a No-Bid contract when Clinton attacked Bosnia? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? I believe so. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? Could have been. Whatever happened to that couple that intercepted the cell phone call? They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! They keep having fund raisers. Fine. That leaves them less time to spread their socialist ideology. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. That is such an interesting statement. Fox News is a relatively new news outlet in the grand scheme of things. And they have set themselves apart; I believe that you called it "journalistic freedom." Gosh, how awful and how successful! Remember though, that many of the traditional news outlets have an agenda which favors Democrats. Recall that CBS initially got the Prisoner Abuse photos, and wouldn't run it themselves. They instead gave the photos to Al Jazeer to run first then they ran it. Then you've got the Dan Rather doctored documents. Why are these guys trying so hard to damage the president and America? Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term "broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I do not see Fox News. Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not. I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly socialist and/or anti-American. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NPR is details oriented, and I like that. I get to learn a lot about the socialist viewpoint. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. I don't. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. I tire of the constant din of government solutions to everyone's problems. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. 73 de Jim, N2EY "Worst Economy in Fifty Years!" Hi! |
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November 1st 04, 06:16 AM
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William wrote:
Wow! You guys sure take some kind of vector off of a left turn. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. May a thousand "camel humpers" (?is that what Steve called them?) move into my nice neighborhood. Test prove that nine out of ten men who tried Camels, went back to women. |
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