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November 21st 04, 01:19 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (La Cucaracha) writes: Len apparently has simply *refused* to even look at the information you presented. No way, he surfed 'em and you can bank it but he doesn't have the gonads to 'fess up and admit he was wrong. As usual. Nope. WRONG. ERROR. Didn't need to surf some selected websites NOW. Tsk. I'd already known of amateur BALLOONISTS who went unmanned high-ballooning a decade ago. So...where was I "wrong?" La Cucaracha, you are way over your head on this...but then that happens with regularity. Mike Coslo claimed he could go to "100,000 feet altitude" or near space" (as he states it) with "latex weather balloons." I claim he can't do that...with those same "latex weather balloons." Atmospheric density and pressure won't allow it and those "latex weather balloons will burst below 50,000 feet. Dave Mullenix of the EOSS group states: * We use Totex weather balloons. They seem to be the best quality. * We purchase them from: * * Kaymont Consolidated Industries, Inc. * 21 Sprucetree Lane * P.O. Box 348 * Huntington Station, NY 11746 * Phone (voice): 516 424-6459 * Phone (fax): 516 549-3076 * * Balloons are sized by their weight in grams. Kaymont currently * carries two sizes, 800 and 1200 grams. The 800 gram size will * lift 3-4 lbs to 100,000 feet. The 1200 gram size will take a full * six pound payload to 100,000 feet. Prices are about $45.00 each for * the 1200 gram balloons. Kaymont accepts telephone orders and credit cards. End Dave Mullinex of EOSS quote Kaymont has this to say about their Totex balloons: * This balloon was developed in the 1940's and is made from a natural *latex compound which is highly elastic and tear resistant. Physical *properties are retained at extremely low temperatures and the latex *compound contains additives which contribute to its resistance to *oxidation and ozone. The robustness of the rubber film allows the fully *inflated balloon to maintain its spherical shape making it particularly *suitable for severe weather launches. End Kaymont Quote Latex balloons. Helium. 100,000 feet with a six pound payload. I can supply references upon request. Why the difference between a manufacturer of the latex balloons, and a documented user group, and your facts? Does La cucaracha know of Standard Atmosphere? It's in all the fancy flying texts, been there for decades. Pressure, density, temperature all there, all quite good enough for estimating some balloon experiments with their ultimate altitudes versus total balloon plus payload weights. Doesn't have to be exquisitely textbook accurate to begin with, just some estimates, what is colloquially called "ball park figures." Did you see any estimates of weight, altitude, or ANY cost figures presented in here? I didn't. I doubt anyone else saw them. Nothing beyond "surprisingly inexpensive". I'm not making a financial report to the group. If you want more, you could dig it out of some of the other posts. A few costs are in there. Apparently the "dreamers" (or, as they self-ephemistically call themselves, "concept managers") don't consider some estimates as necessary. Nope, they have a CONCEPT but that is way way short of ANY sort of estimated numbers of anything. Ahem. I'm not required to provide financial data to you. "Concept" is just a hunch, a sort of emotional daydream of an idea, ephemeral like a gas without those estimates. Apparently these expert-knowledge balloonists can float on Will and Idea, because others have done so before? Tsk. So I guess it's back to talking about the Morse code test! 8^) YES! QRX while I dial up Carl Stevenson on the other line . . Why? Does your whip need fresh blood? Nobody's done that for a while! Must be. Cucaracha Kelly's whip hasn't drawn blood in a long time. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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