There are other ways to copy CW other than audio. And I am not talking
about a computer. Lights are one, vibration is another.

Dan/W4NTI

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:


What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by
("flying behind the plane")

- Mike KB3EIA -


As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and
tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the
volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can.

I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I
doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it
is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can
I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods.

Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are
fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

an_old_friend wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:


What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by
("flying behind the plane")

- Mike KB3EIA -


As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and
tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the
volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can.

I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I
doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it
is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something.
Can I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods.

Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are
fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the
headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house.
If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy
his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Exactly Dee.....these anti-code dunderheads don't get it. It is mostly a
matter of dedication and persistence to learn Morse. They obviously have
neither.

Dan/W4NTI

Mike,

Send me an e-mail. My spam catcher will get ya. Follow the instructions
and I will see it.

Lets discuss how to get you going on CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...


Mike Coslo wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by
("flying behind the plane")

Yes there was and remains a problem, 2 of them One Dyslexia, theother
dyslexiod aphasia. they affect at basic level my use of letters and
langauge. Morse given me chance to blow each letter

Ole Stevie et all like to make fun of me for it

The only good thing I can say for Morse was that trying to learn it
gave a clue to one of the pople that admistered a code test who was
able to guess at and begin the dianostic process at an earlier than was
common then

- Mike KB3EIA -

This dolt is not only anti cw, but he is anti Amateur Radio. Why does this
NOT surprise me?

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Learn the code-get the license-forget cw and lobby to ditch the damn
ancient waste of time...

Join NCI No-Code International.
Write your congressman and complain public funds are supporting only a
handful of code using radio hobbyists!

Complain, complain, complain...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...

Michael Coslo wrote:
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

Waiting for the code test to go away to get HF privs kinda reminds me
of my old uncle who until the day he passed away ten or so years ago
was still waiting for his Pennsylvania Railroad stock go back up and
he'd make a wad.


- Mike KB3EIA -

w3rv

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

and a special place with the Sears catalog.

Those shiny pages were hell! Always loved it when mom bought a couple lugs of
peaches for canning. Those tissue-like wrappings were a wonder to use. Always
thought that in heaven all the outhouses must be equipped with peach wrappers
year-round, even when peaches were out of season. (Maybe peaches are always "in
season" in heaven?)

Winters were the most interesting...with the feather beds and pillows and
quilts so thick it would bury my little body so deep I looked like I was part
of the bed.

My wife is a city girl. After we were married we spent some time (in February)
visiting the folks on the farm. First morning it was a wonder to see her
hurrying to get dressed before parts were frozen. Then I asked her to toss me
my shirt and trousers and I demonstrated how to get fully dressed BEFORE
crawling out from under the quilt!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Dee Flint" wrote


Hey Hans, looks like there's a bunch of city slickers in here!

Buncha sissies!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Dee Flint wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

Dee Flint wrote:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


an_old_friend wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:



What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.


YMMV

I do not face that choice at all Itried for years to learn

Was there a specific problem? I had a lot of trouble with Tinnitus, and
getting hung up on one letter, and letting the rest of the message go by
("flying behind the plane")

- Mike KB3EIA -


As I have mentioned before, my ex had a 70% hearing loss in each ear and
tinnitus in both ears. Yet he passed the code. He just cranked the
volume up and used headphones. If he can do it, anyone can.

I won't deny it can be done - obviously, since my problems are similar. I
doubt I'll ever be proficient at Morse though. To get an idea of what it
is like for me, imagine concentrating as hard as you can on something. Can
I do it? Sure. But not for extended periods.

Certainly turning up the headphones helps, but the levels I use are
fatiguing, and they sometimes annoy the other ops.

- Mike KB3EIA -



I understand that completely. If my ex was practicing code without the
headphones, I had to leave not only the room, but that floor of the house.
If he was using headphones, I could hear it more than well enough to copy
his practice sessions. The point is that he passed the test.

Of course. Passing the test is the main point. My XYL-who has very,
very, good hearing, can actually listen to the television by the
residual sound coming out of my headphones! Problem is it is a little
biased toward the high frequencies that way. Most of the time we
compromise and turn on the closed captioning.

The acuteness of her hearing is such is that she can hear soap bubbles
in the dishwater "popping" in the living room, which is about thirty
feet from the kitchen.And I cannot hear them under any circumstances. We
both feel bad for each other! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

- Mike KB3EIA -

"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.


So? we concentrate on the group of folks that have the TIME to do Ham Radio
these days. The retired or soon to be retired group. Let the youth text
all they want, chase women, find drugs....so what.


80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)


None of which has a thing to do with Ham Radio.

What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.


Ham Radio is and always has been a group of radio geeks. Only recently has
this become a "problem". I see no problem with a much smaller, more
dedicated group. We don't need 700,000 licensed hams if only a small
percentage are actually licensed. As a matter of fact I believe you will
find that the membership of the ARRL are the REAL ACTIVE AMATEURS. Not the
give a way Tech ticket. These are the folks that wanted a free cell phone.
Go for it.
Real hams know what this hobby/service is supposed to be. The rest of you
are at the bottom of the learning curve.

Perhaps if you would pay attention to those that have been there and KNOW
what its about....your life would be a bit easier (?).



Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.


Which is exactly how 75 has been since the 1950s. Or earlier for all I
know.

YOUR POINT IS?


Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.

No it wont. Changed.....but not dead. You of course will be long gone.
Good riddance.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY"
wrote in message
news:jydrrl3q7ldnc5k.290620051907@kirk...
exactly

but only a couple of guys here even have a clue

that is a problem

"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.

80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)

What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.

Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.

Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.

Well most of the hams I know, including myself, have pretty good odds of
still being alive and kicking in 2030.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Maybe by then you and I and/or the OM will have a QSO....hi.

Dan/W4NTI

I talk with a lot of late 80 and early 90 year old hams. You need to wake
up and smell the roses me boy.

Dan/W4NTI

"mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY"
wrote in message
news:xehy40rgttpme82.290620051950@kirk...
let me see-the mean age for hams is approx 65-if we add 25 years 65+25=90

since the lifespan of men is shorter than females-you are joking right

have you QSO'ed with many 90 year old hams in resthomes-that must be
exciting


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"mopathetic didn't camp at Dayton! CHICKEN BOY"
wrote in message
news:jydrrl3q7ldnc5k.290620051907@kirk...
exactly

but only a couple of guys here even have a clue

that is a problem

"ham radio truth" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.

2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -

YES to CW or NO to CW makes no difference whatsoever Mike.
Not at this stage of the game. Ham radio is a dying hobby, period.

The average age of the USA ham operator is a staggering 64 Years.
There are FIVE TIMES more hams dying off per month than there
are new hams comming into the hobby and license renewals combined.

80% of young people 2-day have text messaging cellphones.
Also there's AOL Instant Messenger or similar Chatroom software
plus Apple IPOD Podcasting and similar technology. (just wait till
the wireless IPOD hits around October 2005 just in time for xmas!)

What young person, apart from the occasional geek, would want to
invest time and money in archaic, obsolete, analog technology based
ham radio in 2005? Oh yes there will be a few, but for the most part
today's young people wouldn't know ham radio from CB and could
not care less either.

Tune across HF any evening and tell me how many young people
you hear on SSB. Most of the guys I hear on 75 Meters are long
retired and most callsigns I recall from just 10 Years ago are either
in the local nursing home or 6 feet under the earth.

Read the handwriting boys. At this rate Ham Radio will be dead
by 2030.

Well most of the hams I know, including myself, have pretty good odds of
still being alive and kicking in 2030.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE