"Chesty Puller" wrote in message
...

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...



Yes she did....then proceeded to show us how ignorant she was/is.

Proof positive of the dumbing down of Amateur Radio....IMHO.

Dan/W4NTI



And, you're proof positive of what alcohol can do to a 1/2 way decent
mind.

Kim W5TIT



I think you ****ed her off Dan.



I hope so.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote:
John Smith wrote:

Dee:

The only person talking 300 baud is you,


No.

The FCC says so too.


I told you to throw away that
300 baud modem and get a decent one (or revamp an old phone
modem to your needs.)


On most of the HF/MF amateur bands, amateurs in the USA are limited to
300 baud for the transmission of "data".

Now it might be argued that sending .jpgs is an "image" mode, and is
only allowed in the 'phone subbands, with correspondingly wider
bandwidths. But there's more to it than just hooking a typical computer
modem to an SSB rig.


Let's say some hams find a way to fit, say, 14 kbaud into an SSB
bandwidth with characteristics that will work on the HF ham bands. And
suppose they get FCC to say it's OK and all that. The transmission of a
1 meg .jpg will still take more than a minute with no errorchecking.

Without error checking the resultant picture will almost certainly
*not* be a picture.

The "fuzziness" of analog signals is a big part of why they work at HF.
A bit of static or other noise might put some white spots or even a line
or two of noise on the SSTV screen, but they can wreck a digital
transmission without error checking.


Since you didn't even understand that, you certainly won't grasp the
rest...


Try grasping the current regulations, John....


So much more than regulations that need grasped. I await the technical
aspects of the digital image transmission system.

- Mike KB3EIA -

wrote:
From: "John Smith" on Fri 1 Jul 2005 12:25


Dee:

My "simple math" is actually just your "simple mind" and you cannot
tell the difference.


Dee is smart. But, her emotional LOVE of "CW" over-rides her
reasoning ability.

Not talking about CW.

peace out


- Mike KB3EIA -

wrote:
From: on Fri 1 Jul 2005 14:19


John Smith wrote:



Try grasping the current regulations, John....


Try GRASPING the concept that "current regulations" can be

C H A N G E D !!!

Sunnuvagun!

What to? Elucidate. I learned a new word today.

- Mike KB3EIA -

My neighbor just got a 7500 NAL to pay. He lives in a falling down trailor
and his wife works to support him.

Oh...he is a Freebander, or should I say...he was a Freebander.

And you call hams stupid?

Dan/W4NTI

"Freebander" wrote in message
news:iog26rbfbpcu5du.010720051029@kirk...
is it possible for a bunch of ancient/decrepit old men to get more anemic,
senile, ridiculous, loathsome or "dumbed down?"

amateurs take all the prizes when it come to stupidity

"Kim" wrote in message
m...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...



Yes she did....then proceeded to show us how ignorant she was/is.

Proof positive of the dumbing down of Amateur Radio....IMHO.

Dan/W4NTI



And, you're proof positive of what alcohol can do to a 1/2 way decent
mind.

Kim W5TIT

Dee:

I don't know about how the laws cover physics in your neck of the
woods, but here it goes like this:

The "bandwidth" of my phoneline just happens to be about 300 hz to
5000 hz (this can vary widely with equip--but the phone company pretty
well guarantees this minimum) and, my computer modem uses this "audio
bandwidth" to send/recv data at speeds up to 5.7K bytes per second.

Now, I just happen to know a guy with a transceiver which he put mic
level jacks on to interface with a transceiver and a USRobotics
external 57K modem and set to software flow control and ignore the
fact there is NO DC carrier voltage on the line. Since the
transceiver he hooked the modem to has a modified audio recv/xmit
bandwidth of approx ~100 Hz to ~8K he has PLENTY OF BANDWIDTH.

.... now really, a high school student should be able to manage
this--indeed, the one I seen did... the USR modem takes care of data
compaction and error control--pretty straight forward really... I
expect the other hams will "discover" and present this "revolutionary"
idea within the next decade. grin

.... from there it was a simple matter to take/input the audio from/to
the transceiver from the computer sound card and do enhanced
encryption/compaction by means of software on the digital
signals--basically you find very similar in cutting edge
technologies--and while I am not 100% certain--I would almost bet it
is done nearly 100% in a similar fashion... being a software
engineer, I can almost guarantee that part--I am a little less sure
about how they implement the hardware and I rather doubt it is an
ancient 56K phone modem ROFLOL!!!

Works equally well for data/voice/video. That is all taken care of in
software, you simply need to know what type of data you are getting,
if you try to interpret voice as text or the opposite--I am sure you
can see there would be a problem...

I might add, the first time I seen this done was over five years
ago... so really, the hams may have it as quickly as another five
years! innocent look

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dee:

The only person talking 300 baud is you, I told you to throw away
that 300 baud modem and get a decent one (or revamp an old phone
modem to your needs.)

Since you didn't even understand that, you certainly won't grasp
the rest...

John

Well it just happens to be against the rules to use higher than 300
baud on HF so that is the limit that the data/video/audio signal
must fit within. There is a very good reason for that limit. The
higher the baud rate, the greater the bandwidth required, and the
fewer users can fit on the band. And eventually you hit a baud rate
where the required bandwidth is such that one signal won't stay
within the upper and lower band edges.

Now if you're talking VHF, it's already been done and your "bright,
new minds" are a day late and a dollar short.

Since you don't understand that, you certainly won't grasp the
rest....

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Gawd Lennie the loser is so easy. Its like kicking a dog till he yelps.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: on Thurs 30 Jun
2005 17:21


"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -


No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the
loser is one of the main ones.

"Loser?!?" :-)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Do you want me to give a precis of what I've WON out of life so
far or are you content to vent your enlarged spleen of anger
on what you think I wrote before? I can do that but it only
arouses more ANGER and assorted assinine abuse from the PCTA
crowd here.

There is NO "hate" except for all the Coders angry and upset that
no-coders don't give the Coders the "respect and honor" the Coders
think they deserve. In AMATEURISM, that small segment of the
entire radio world.

The U.S. amateur radio morse code TEST should go, Dannie. The
Coders will go soon enough. The code TEST has outlived its
usefulness long ago.

The Coslonaut started this thread with a pre-loaded emotional-
content-wrapped "question." Coslonaut does that from time to
time, desiring to be a Mover and Shaker in this newsgroup. He
might mean well (sometimes) but he has bought into the morse
myths and bravely trying to become an olde-fahrt hamme.

On your other posting -

Speaking of AC plugs Lennie the loser....how about doing us all a favor
and
show your "eeee" competence at a level we all know you are at? Stick
your
index finger and the little finger into the AC plug and write us a
technical
report on the results.

It's IEEE, not "eeee," Double-Dipped Southern-Fried Dumm**** Dannie.
Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a professional
association. Roughly a quarter million members worldwide.

LONG before I joined the IEEE in 1973 I knew better than to "stick
fingers into an AC socket." Nominal 115 VAC can be LETHAL, Dannie.

Follow the "30-30" rule: Anything above 30 Volts and/or above
30 mA source current can cause heart fibrilation and resulting
death...if the conducting path is through the upper chest area.

At present I can measure the voltage across an AC outlet. With
precision I would use my 4 1/2 digit DVM (made in France), secondly
with one of my 3 1/2 digit DVMs (made in China), thirdly with my
home-built expanded scale voltmeter that is part of a variable
autotransformer controlled 135 W AC source for measuring power
supply stability. For just presence or absence of AC voltage, a
cute little non-contacting capacitive-sensing light/clicker will
do (made in China, bought at Lowes)...or just plugging in a 115
V lamp. No problem. I would have listed my AC chart recorder but
I ran out of paper about 9 years ago and haven't had a need to use
it since. Got that in a trade for other things even longer ago.
It still works fine without chart paper but only for short periods
of about 20 minutes using 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Putz.

Now now, Dannie. You are UPSET and wanting to FIGHT with someone.

Did you lose a fight with that quadruplegic down at VFW hall again?

Don't try to "tell" me about radio communications, Dannie, you will
only make things worse, annoy me, and waste my time (and everyone
else's). You don't have the semantic/literary skills to outclass
me. [you never did] The best thing you are able to do in here is
to copy the antics of the Tennessee Talibanian and none of that is
any sort of "discussion." Tsk, tsk. I had hoped you were better
than that, but now you've dashed any optimistic hope with the use
of ethnic pejoratives that are not your native language.

Go work some DX on HF with CW. It will make you feel better. You
aren't even third-rate at computer-modem comms.

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -



Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV,
etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode
(as
I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor
the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and
I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters." I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -



No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the
loser is one of the main ones.

Dan/W4NTI



You're just this side of the CB mentality. Pppfffffftttttttt

Kim W5TIT



I wouldn't know Twit. But I guarantee you do.

Dan/W4NTI

"Chesty Puller" wrote in message
...

"Kim" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Kim wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...

What is more important:

1. Having a license that allows HF access.


2. Not having to learn Morse code.

IOW, is standing on principle, and refusing to learn Morse code a
better
thing than learning it to get the priveliges?

- Mike KB3EIA -



Hi Mike:

I think you know I don't "hate" Morse Code. I, personally, never
really
wished to try it out; just like I have never really tried SCTV,
anything
digital (except for APRS--if that can be considered digital), ATV,
etc.
I
think you get my point. Since I have ever first perused this
newsgroup,
except for a few real jerks, I'd believe that most of "us" who just
don't
wander into other means of communication--including Morse Code--are
pretty
much the same as I am. I absolutely support those who use the mode
(as
I
do
anyone who uses and/or invents any other modes), am willing to honor
the
tradition of Morse Code (as I honor the tradition of other steadfast
things
in amateur radio), and hold no animosity for anyone--OTHER than the
"idiots"
on both sides of the floor (as it would be stated in political terms
).

For me, it was never a matter of wanting HF privileges that much, and
I
learned the 5wpm needed to get the privileges I was happy with. So,
could
you do me a favor? Please rethink your phrase "Morse Code Haters."
I
don't
think most of us feel that strongly about it.

Yeah, "haters" was the wrong choice of word in retrospect.

- Mike KB3EIA -



No it's not Mike. There are Morse Code haters out there. Lennie the
loser is one of the main ones.

Dan/W4NTI



You're just this side of the CB mentality. Pppfffffftttttttt

Kim W5TIT



Hey Dan, when did you start operating CB?
LOL



I used to fix them. Charged a few bux, met some good people, and some
pure idiots. Talked a bunch of em into getting a ham ticket. Now I talk to
the ex CBers on 2m and HF. Does that count?

Dan/W4NTI

wrote:
From: on Jul 1, 12:23 pm

wrote:
I thought it might be neat to get a ham license
in addition to the Commercial First 'Phone of 1956.
Got up to
8 or 9 WPM and wondered what the hell I was wasting
all that time
for?

Thank you for confirming something I have suspected for a
long time now, Len.

What...you've NEVER seen my statement BEFORE? :-)

I've never seen that exact story before now, Len. I don't
think you've ever posted that you

"thought it might be neat to get a ham license in addition
to the Commercial First 'Phone of 1956. Got up to 8 or 9
WPM and wondered what the hell I was wasting all that
time for?"

Maybe you did post that before, but I missed it. Easy to do,
considering the amount you post here. You're invited to
show us where you did post that exact story before.

Thanks again for confirming something I have suspected
for a long time now, Len.