K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Note the use of "flailing" in place of "failing" in Stebie's
sentence. A Freudian slip of his mirroring his own FLAILING
about when he says all disagreers "LIE, LIE, LIE!" :-)

He has a unique viewpoint.

And you don't?

of course he does, as do I, and len and todd, but of ocurse you have no
interest in those view points so flail against us us all

Sure I have an interest...even when it's a "different viewpoint".

no you don't you just start demeaning that we comply with your
viewpoint


The PROBLEM is that you, Lennie, Brain and Toiddie have a unique
way of expressing those viewpoints.

and therein lies your problem Stevie, you see the facts we are are
defferent as a problem


Espeically Lennie.

"I don't like Morse Code testing because I think it's an
antiquated mode" is a valid and debatable point.

"Macho Morsemen are killing off the hobby with their luddite,
archaic demands" is a baldfaced lie and meant to do nothing more than
incite the very flames that it does.

it isn't a bald faced lie, it is an accurtate disription of a valid
point of view

I agree that the Luddite rejection of change embodied by the clring to
more Code is an open wound in the Body of the ARS.

Len statement is simply a colorful expression of that view


You? You're just an idiot that is always in second place because
you won't pay attention or fix your own problems. Everything is always
"someones" fault. You're a career victim.

nope you are just lying agian


You occassionally have moments of lucid, polite behaviour, even
insightful, but then launch right back into your own "lier" (now
updated and improved to 'lair') routine.

stevie if you want me to treat you politely then you can have it but
you have to treat me politely first at this point

you lie constantly by presenting your view as undesputable fact

where it is at best opinion


Someday it will be worthy of study under the heading "Aberrant
Behavio[u]r." Until someone in the professional headspace business
seizes him, we have to deal with his rantings.

So far, there are no rantings.

so far? taking your sampl pretty narowly

What? Huh?

taking your sample narrowly


Just me proving you to be what I claim. And You providing the
material for me to do it with.

what do you claim BTW, this moment it changes more often the Kerry's
positions

I claim that Leonard H Anderson is a liar. I claim this due to
his frequent errors of fact that are obviously intentional and intended
to decive others about the Amateur Radio service.

Making erros of facts even if done doesn't make make one a lair, unless
you are willing to embrace that label yourself

and the rest of the statement is another bald faced lie


This is, in fact, proven by repeated examples of
misrepresentations on his part. Not to mention numerous deceitful acts
and actions. His "license" e-mail (actually a picture of a guy
'mooning' from the forward bubble of an A-26) and "I'll get my 'Extra
Lite' out of the Box" stories come to immediate mind.

neither of those example have any conection to the charge you are
making


I call Brian P Burke a liar. I do this since he's repeatedly made
statements and assertions about his alleged "DX" operations that have
never bore out with so much as one single QSL card to prove it, nor has
he shown where it was a legitimate operation to start with.

you make that the claim it was not then becomes your burden

if this is Somolia reference than I don't see in the absense of any
Govt any operation on treaty ham bands could be ilegal


Furthermore, he's made coutless other assinine assertions
("cordless devices" and "ARES" among them) that have also never bore
the weight of scruitiny. Nor has he ever offered a single word of
validation as to why he'd say so patently wrong things.

I have seen any such patently wrong statements and if he has not made
any he does not owe any explaination


The only one in the bunch who can't be really "dinged" for being a
liar is you, since you own up to it, but that still doesn't relieve you
of responsiblity for BEING a liar, especially one who BRAGS aboutm
being a liar.

more lies stevie I don't brag about it, you make it an issue often
enough that i end up not dening it often

and you simply can't stand for a defferent veiwpoint

I don't know why some people think it's perfectly OK for them to
"exercise my free speech" by saying things that are offensive and
deceptive, only to scream foul when someone else uses THEIR "freedom of
speech" to rebutt it...ESPECIALLY where there is evidence to prove the
assertion.

you claim they are deceptive without proving the claim, and it takes so
little to offend that it borders on by proof that you have a mental
problem right there

you don't rebut the statements with facts you attack the maker of the
statement, not the the statement, this is hard to do without either,
one, comiting libel/slander or two, engaing in harassment, or engageing
in hate speech.

Stevie you seem to lac the skill to mange that


Stebie's posting sometimes read like "Watchtower" clone bad
copy stuff.

Is "Watchtower" good science fiction?

A little lost, are you?

not at all, why do you ask? are you admiting to being lost? (we know
you are lost)

You seem to not know what "Watchtower" is, thinking it's "science
fiction".

you now claim to know what I think

In point of fact I believe the refference is to a minor religous mag


"Watchtower" is a periodical put out by the Jehovah's Witnesses,
and usually delivered by three devotees who show up at your front door
at dinner time asking "Have you heard the word of God today...?!?!"

ah yes you typed it all ready


Stebie should have put His "truth" in quotation marks. Dat
stuff don't exist in reality.

"His Truth." "His Reality."

That kind of sums it up.

Nice try. Doesn't change the facts that you're both discreditied
liars.

they freely admit to not confroming to YOUR notion of reality,
Something I will also admit to if you like

break

My "notion of reality" is that adults tell the truth to each
other, or at least explain thier reasoning behind it...

I know that your view includes that, that is why I say you are not
dealing with reality




Doesn't happen here too often...I screwed up and tried that with
you and Lennie...You started right off with "lier" and "I am a
Colonel..." carap.

nope you started out with me being a condesending prick, and moved on
to threatening me and family


You expect me to respect your "ideas" after that?

you never showed them any respect at any time so obvioucly I don't
expect your respect to change


And Lennie didn't take too long to realize that I wasn't being
swayed by his techno-geek bufoonery (while remaining civil), and
launched in on "Nazi", "thug", "Dill Sergeant", etc etc etc.

He claims he didn't start it nor does he "do" that, but look at
any of his posts directed at Jim Miccolis, N2EY...Jim has never once
addressed Lennie as anything BUT "Len" or other appropriate derivision
of his proper name.

Doesn't stop Lennie.

Where were you on that Boy Scout Jamboree, BTW, Brain?

Certainly osunds like they ahd some of your "leadership" behind
it.

and you pounce on me for spelling?

Yep. Like I said...All of us have an occassional typo. YOU make
it an Olympic sport.

and know why and choose to continue that is your decision and you are
responible for it


Is Ripley's "Believe It Or Not" still published? If it is, we
ought to send Stebie's marvelous accomplishment to them for
wider distribution and acclaim!

Now that would be funny, but it might trigger an "episode."

We could do an "episode" on Brain's and Lennie's achievments, but
what would we do with the other 27 1/2 minutes of airtime?

back to ranting I see

What ranting?

your ranting


It was his comments about "episodes".

and began one of your rants right on cue
'

I think Steve took a quick glimpse of reality, then closed his eyes
tightly and went back to discrediting his fellow Extra's and his family
name.

You hit that one "bang on", Brian. Very plausible.

It's just better for everyone when he keeps his eyes shut. His
behavior is bizarre enough without him having to face reality.

There are those with reality acceptance issues here, Brain...But
I'm not one of them...

BUZZ wrong answer Stevie you have a complete refusaul to deal with
reality


BUZZ wrong answer Markie. I have a very firm grip on reality.

nope you have death grip on a fantasy that you are trying to call
reality


Now I will grant you that expecting Lennie to be civil, Brain to
tell the truth, or you to get help for your English composition and/or
comprehension problems may be UNREALISTIC, but so were the concepts of
Aviation and space flight once-upon-a-time.

more ranting


Brian, you are too subtle for Stebie. He failed to notice your
plural form of "yourselves" (as in reference to multiple
personalities).

He's not very bright.

Brighter than the sum of the two of you, but then that didn't take
a whole lot.

well he is admiting to not being very bright, has to libel 2 people to
do it but he admits it

It's not "libel" if it's true.

sure can be

and not dening that you are pretty stupid too


Welp, Stebie has just admitted to hypocrisy. It used to was that
anyone talking back to Stebie "HATED ALL HAM RADIO!" Now Stebie
admits he is only "representing" HIMSELF (and all his personalities
of course). There's a tiny promise for optimists there.

I'm optimistic about many things, but Steve is not one of them.

I'd be interested in figuring out where you got that "Steve
admitted ot hypocricy" thing, but then Lord knows where the two of you
pull things out from...

can't prove it objectively but yet another lie I am sure, you don't
realy want that

You can't prove you're an adult objectively either.

indeed and neither can you certainly not on usenet

but then you don't face that reality either


Oh well.

But it was fun watching the two of you pat each others backs here
again...Now if you'd just invited Markie and Toadie in, you'd have had
the whole gang in.

don't need an inviation

You'll also notice you WEREN'T invited.

why would i be invited why would anyone be invited

you read a lot into stuff and then assume it is vlid without question,
gets you into loads of trouble


Wonder why?

not realy

Steve, K4YZ

an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Note the use of "flailing" in place of "failing" in Stebie's
sentence. A Freudian slip of his mirroring his own FLAILING
about when he says all disagreers "LIE, LIE, LIE!" :-)

He has a unique viewpoint.

And you don't?

of course he does, as do I, and len and todd, but of ocurse you have no
interest in those view points so flail against us us all

Sure I have an interest...even when it's a "different viewpoint".

no you don't you just start demeaning that we comply with your
viewpoint

Start demeaning what?

Or did you mean "demanding"...???

If you perceived something I said as "demeaning", it was probably
because I was responding to something that was so absolutley idiotic or
assinine that I had a hard time staying in the chair from laughing so
hard.

If you meant "demanding", you're more than welcome to pony-up a
quote of mine that substantiates your claim that I have DEMANDED
anything.

The PROBLEM is that you, Lennie, Brain and Toiddie have a unique
way of expressing those viewpoints.

and therein lies your problem Stevie, you see the facts we are are
defferent as a problem

Oh, you're "defferent" alright.

I don't have a problem with DIFFERENT, Mark.

I DO have a problem with intentionally mistruthful or deceitful.

Espeically Lennie.

"I don't like Morse Code testing because I think it's an
antiquated mode" is a valid and debatable point.

"Macho Morsemen are killing off the hobby with their luddite,
archaic demands" is a baldfaced lie and meant to do nothing more than
incite the very flames that it does.

it isn't a bald faced lie, it is an accurtate disription of a valid
point of view

No, it's a bald faced lie.

There are no "Macho Morsemen" holding ANYthing back.

If there was, there never would have been the NCT or the present
"Kill Element 1" movement.

Amateur Radio is more than 3 1/2 times bigger today than it was
when I was a Novice in 72. One can communicate around the world with
an NCT and an HT. We can communicate with the Space Station, any one
of 10-12 satellites, and we have HF radios smaller than a carton of
cigarettes where it once took a whole deskfull of gear to do the same
thing.

I agree that the Luddite rejection of change embodied by the clring to
more Code is an open wound in the Body of the ARS.

Read the above then try to realize why your statement is so
assinine.

Len statement is simply a colorful expression of that view

Lennie's statement is an anagonistic swipe at a subset of radio
communicators he doesn't like because at sometime in his past one of
them "diss'ed" him.

It has nothing to do with reality.

So here's the challenge, Mark...

We just hit August of 2005 so I will use previous Augusts as the
milestone...

Go find old copies of any Amateur Radio journal...Heck...take "CQ"
since it started in 1945...A nice round number of years (suggested
since Lennie will jump in about how the ARRL is hardly objective, etc
etc etc...)

That represents an even 60 years of Augusts.

I dare you to look back through all thos Augusts and then come
back here with a straight face and tell me about how Amateur Radio is
not "progressing".

Even better yet...Since Lennie's always harping about how Amateurs
are allegedly "stuck in the 30's", go ahead and stroll back through
QST's back to 1930. That now gives you SEVENTY FIVE Augusts to
establish trends with.

Now compare the technology, practices, modes, etc of August 1930
or 1945 with August of 2005, and THEN tell me how Lennie's accusations
of the immobility of Amateur Radio are true...?!?!

Good luck.

Steve, K4YZ

gee I should just cut out stvies rudeness would have nothing left
K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Note the use of "flailing" in place of "failing" in Stebie's
sentence. A Freudian slip of his mirroring his own FLAILING
about when he says all disagreers "LIE, LIE, LIE!" :-)

He has a unique viewpoint.

And you don't?

of course he does, as do I, and len and todd, but of ocurse you have no
interest in those view points so flail against us us all

Sure I have an interest...even when it's a "different viewpoint".

no you don't you just start demeaning that we comply with your
viewpoint

Start demeaning what?

Or did you mean "demanding"...???

If you perceived something I said as "demeaning", it was probably
because I was responding to something that was so absolutley idiotic or
assinine that I had a hard time staying in the chair from laughing so
hard.

If you meant "demanding", you're more than welcome to pony-up a
quote of mine that substantiates your claim that I have DEMANDED
anything.

break
The PROBLEM is that you, Lennie, Brain and Toiddie have a unique
way of expressing those viewpoints.

and therein lies your problem Stevie, you see the facts we are are
defferent as a problem

Begin stevie tantrum

Oh, you're "defferent" alright.

I don't have a problem with DIFFERENT, Mark.

lie

dfference is only allowed if it results in agreement with,

the above being one the most nonsenical statement I have ever typed,
unforunately it has the virtue of being completely true


I DO have a problem with intentionally mistruthful or deceitful.

with the represntation of a view different form your own you mean


Espeically Lennie.

"I don't like Morse Code testing because I think it's an
antiquated mode" is a valid and debatable point.

"Macho Morsemen are killing off the hobby with their luddite,
archaic demands" is a baldfaced lie and meant to do nothing more than
incite the very flames that it does.

it isn't a bald faced lie, it is an accurtate disription of a valid
point of view

begin trantrum number 2

No, it's a bald faced lie.

There are no "Macho Morsemen" holding ANYthing back.

sure are

relaince on Morse Hald back bring new folks in EME for example with
most of that world being unwilling to bother with other modes people
like myself are all but excluded

this but one example

Indeed you sent me an email fewyears back after CQ or was it CQ VHF
published a letter to that effect when I comented on the inapproateness
of talking about testing in the "VHF and up "


If there was, there never would have been the NCT or the present
"Kill Element 1" movement.

wrong that MM is the reason it was needed to to form and campaign for
the NCT The ARRL was opposed to NCT til it was done then tried to claim
it was all for it, that it has teken years to kill code testing is
another sign of the MMM hlding things back


Amateur Radio is more than 3 1/2 times bigger today than it was
when I was a Novice in 72. One can communicate around the world with
an NCT and an HT. We can communicate with the Space Station, any one

you over blow the abilites of the TCh and HT.

of 10-12 satellites, and we have HF radios smaller than a carton of
cigarettes where it once took a whole deskfull of gear to do the same
thing.

and what would we have had if the MMM had gotten on board and pushed
NCT sooner and welcomed new hams rather than bemoan them? I don't know
but it likely would have more



I agree that the Luddite rejection of change embodied by the clring to
more Code is an open wound in the Body of the ARS.

Read the above then try to realize why your statement is so
assinine.

it isn't assine at all


Len statement is simply a colorful expression of that view

Lennie's statement is an anagonistic swipe at a subset of radio
communicators he doesn't like because at sometime in his past one of
them "diss'ed" him.

and contiue to diss him, and his rights you do so on a near daily basis
(you seem to be givng him break lately with me to pick on)

It has nothing to do with reality.

everything to do with it, you look on radio with blinders on and you
want to impose those blinders on the rest of us

So here's the challenge, Mark...

We just hit August of 2005 so I will use previous Augusts as the
milestone...

Go find old copies of any Amateur Radio journal...Heck...take "CQ"
since it started in 1945...A nice round number of years (suggested
since Lennie will jump in about how the ARRL is hardly objective, etc
etc etc...)

That represents an even 60 years of Augusts.

I dare you to look back through all thos Augusts and then come
back here with a straight face and tell me about how Amateur Radio is
not "progressing".

no access

and what progress do you see, compared to world aorund us


Even better yet...Since Lennie's always harping about how Amateurs
are allegedly "stuck in the 30's", go ahead and stroll back through
QST's back to 1930. That now gives you SEVENTY FIVE Augusts to
establish trends with.

Now compare the technology, practices, modes, etc of August 1930
or 1945 with August of 2005, and THEN tell me how Lennie's accusations
of the immobility of Amateur Radio are true...?!?!

how many non ham stations are using vacumtube for any part of the
operations?

how many ham staions can't deal any modern digtial mode?


Good luck.

Steve, K4YZ