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August 4th 05, 10:36 PM
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John Smith wrote: N2EY: Yes, your list there shows how quite insane FCC licensing has been, however, the arrl has to bear a lot of this blame also, they used political pressures for their personal gains. The longest journey begins but with the first step, there are many necessary steps now to bring amateur radio back in line with sanity... John So what is your solution? Would you eliminate the technical parts of the tests because hams aren't required to build or fix their rigs? Would you eliminate all mode-specific and band-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific band or mode? Would you eliminate all technology-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific technology? *Besides* eliminating the code test, what would *you* change about the license tests? On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:50:13 -0700, N2EY wrote: wrote: Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on homebrewing to use manufactured radio sets. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on voice modes to use Morse Code and data modes. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on the limits of VHF/UHF ham bands to operate on the HF/MF ham bands. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on RF exposure and electrical safety to use low power battery-operated rigs. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on transistors and ICs to use vacuum tube rigs. Etc. Suppose someone wanted to operate a low-power Morse Code amateur radio transceiver on 7020 kHz. Just a simple 50 watt transceiver and dipole antenna, with key and speaker. To operate legally, such a person would need an Extra class license, which requires passing tests that include all sorts of stuff that is unnecessary for the legal and correct operation of the above station. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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August 4th 05, 10:50 PM
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August 5th 05, 12:01 AM
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wrote: John Smith wrote: N2EY: Yes, your list there shows how quite insane FCC licensing has been, however, the arrl has to bear a lot of this blame also, they used political pressures for their personal gains. The longest journey begins but with the first step, there are many necessary steps now to bring amateur radio back in line with sanity... John So what is your solution? Would you eliminate the technical parts of the tests because hams aren't required to build or fix their rigs? Would you eliminate all mode-specific and band-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific band or mode? Would you eliminate all technology-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific technology? *Besides* eliminating the code test, what would *you* change about the license tests? what I would do? gee id change the structure of the tests a pared down basic test of rule regs, rf safety, bands stuff like, and several (Passing only one of these) each test covering a type of operation in detail, would even aloow a code test as an option for this second test, so I kidnly like the Canda changes esp if theyd go a bit further down that line On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:50:13 -0700, N2EY wrote: wrote: cut |
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August 5th 05, 01:02 AM
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Would you eliminate the technical parts of the tests because hams aren't required to build or fix their rigs? No. But I would emphasize troubleshooting strategy, which would help hams at all levels from the appliance operators to the one-handed-behind-the-back surface-mount circuit homebrewers. Would you eliminate all mode-specific and band-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific band or mode? Nope. But know the best operating procedures for each band and mode. And why, from a basic radio science perpective. Would you eliminate all technology-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific technology? No. Keep the introductory electronics, but strongly emphasize the science behind the RADIO WAVES you're EMITTING and RECEIVING, and the media in which they propagate. This means that even appliance operators, so maligned on this group and elesewhere, will have as firm foundation in the actual activity of communications as the electronics wizard. *Besides* eliminating the code test, what would *you* change about the license tests? It's the Operator Techniques, stpuid. ($1) With fewer LIDS, people won't care what electronics skill level you have when the mike is off. And ham radio will be less of the circle jerk it has become. And eliminate the swimsuit competition as stated in previous message. I mean, the Huntsville Hamfest is coming up and man, I don't even want to think about it. 73 Corry K4DOH -- It Came From C. L. "Yes, I could drop a few pounds myself" Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries. http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net Of course I went to law school. - Warren Zevon, "Mr. Bad Example" |
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August 5th 05, 02:07 AM
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N2EY:
Has our society been so dumbed down you must even ask a question like that? I would have question fitting using a commercial radio for those whose only use is to buy the damn thing and chat... of course the question of rf hazards would always be important and should be included. I would have tech questions fitting those who wished to build their own equip, so I knew they were properly prepared... For those constructing their own antennas, proper tower, mast, etc questions to make sure they were prepared to do so safely... Of course, you would need a group of minds to arrange the question properly and sanely... You should be able to extrapolate from the above and see how it would apply to and given situation--hardware--software--rules--regs--etc John On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:36:15 -0700, N2EY wrote: John Smith wrote: N2EY: Yes, your list there shows how quite insane FCC licensing has been, however, the arrl has to bear a lot of this blame also, they used political pressures for their personal gains. The longest journey begins but with the first step, there are many necessary steps now to bring amateur radio back in line with sanity... John So what is your solution? Would you eliminate the technical parts of the tests because hams aren't required to build or fix their rigs? Would you eliminate all mode-specific and band-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific band or mode? Would you eliminate all technology-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific technology? *Besides* eliminating the code test, what would *you* change about the license tests? On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:50:13 -0700, N2EY wrote: wrote: Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on homebrewing to use manufactured radio sets. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on voice modes to use Morse Code and data modes. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on the limits of VHF/UHF ham bands to operate on the HF/MF ham bands. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on RF exposure and electrical safety to use low power battery-operated rigs. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on transistors and ICs to use vacuum tube rigs. Etc. Suppose someone wanted to operate a low-power Morse Code amateur radio transceiver on 7020 kHz. Just a simple 50 watt transceiver and dipole antenna, with key and speaker. To operate legally, such a person would need an Extra class license, which requires passing tests that include all sorts of stuff that is unnecessary for the legal and correct operation of the above station. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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August 5th 05, 04:19 AM
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wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on homebrewing to use manufactured radio sets. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on voice modes to use Morse Code and data modes. Apples vs oranges. No other mode requires a "skill" test which is exactly what the current CW test is...a skill test. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on the limits of VHF/UHF ham bands to operate on the HF/MF ham bands. Ditto my last For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on RF exposure and electrical safety to use low power battery-operated rigs. Ditto my last For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on transistors and ICs to use vacuum tube rigs. Ditto my last Etc. Suppose someone wanted to operate a low-power Morse Code amateur radio transceiver on 7020 kHz. Just a simple 50 watt transceiver and dipole antenna, with key and speaker. To operate legally, such a person would need an Extra class license, which requires passing tests that include all sorts of stuff that is unnecessary for the legal and correct operation of the above station. But not one of those subject areas stands alone as a pass/fail gate as does the CW test. THAT is the difference. You want some questions added to the pool regarding morse as a mode, no problem. That is, however, not the same as having a single stand-alone morse profficiency test. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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August 5th 05, 04:32 AM
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Bill:
Frankly, I think you should have to take a CW test... IF, and I say IF, you are going to use CW, and perhaps they can "CW certify" a person to use code--otherwise let them only use phone and machine protocols... John On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 03:19:36 +0000, Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on homebrewing to use manufactured radio sets. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on voice modes to use Morse Code and data modes. Apples vs oranges. No other mode requires a "skill" test which is exactly what the current CW test is...a skill test. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on the limits of VHF/UHF ham bands to operate on the HF/MF ham bands. Ditto my last For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on RF exposure and electrical safety to use low power battery-operated rigs. Ditto my last For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on transistors and ICs to use vacuum tube rigs. Ditto my last Etc. Suppose someone wanted to operate a low-power Morse Code amateur radio transceiver on 7020 kHz. Just a simple 50 watt transceiver and dipole antenna, with key and speaker. To operate legally, such a person would need an Extra class license, which requires passing tests that include all sorts of stuff that is unnecessary for the legal and correct operation of the above station. But not one of those subject areas stands alone as a pass/fail gate as does the CW test. THAT is the difference. You want some questions added to the pool regarding morse as a mode, no problem. That is, however, not the same as having a single stand-alone morse profficiency test. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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