John Smith wrote:
Dee:

I was a boy scout leader in my late 20's into my early 30's, it was hard,
my job made some allowances, heck, some of the people over me had kids in
my troop.

I think it can be done alright...

Old pharts shine in positions like supreme court justices, you don't need
the constitution to change all that much, indeed, in over 200 years it has
been a real benefit NOT having much change at all... you just have to
realize where you need young minds and where you need old ones...

It's like this "John": The ARRL is run by an elected, unpaid volunteer
BoD. In any practical sense the ARRL cannot be changed from the outside
but it can and has been changed from the inside. The "solution" is
rather obvious isn't it "John"? So go round up all your ARRL
like-minded member buddies and campaign to get one elected to the BoD
to kick off the "revolution".

In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.

John

w3rv




On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:43:33 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

John

They won't get to it until they are over 40 themselves. Right now they are
building their careers and raising families. Doesn't leave much time for
the major commitment of being in charge of the ARRL.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

John Smith wrote:
Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

We? Are you an ARRL member? Len certainly isn't.

Dave K8MN

Mike Coslo wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

Bill Sohl wrote:

cuting

then you need to read some the treaty requirements, the same treaty
that has been the only keeping code testing the ARS for a couple of
decades

Didn't we cover this before somewhere? There is a long history of
dancing around the treaty requirements. Like medical waivers for
starters....

nope you are simply in error. The waivers (only for speeds above 5wpm)
needed no dance

the old lang required only that Ham be tested for morse code, no speed
was required, indeed we could if were dancing around the Treaty have
said ok all Hams will tested we send every one of them a "." and if
they answer that was E the requirement would have been met

the higher speed tests were all the ARRL's idea, and they sold it to
the FCC

My notion of a book like "Now You're Talking!", and a signed affidavit
by the prospective Ham could serve quite well for the "test" process.

feel free to propose it and watch it get shot down.

but if you truely believe that is all that should be required then you
should be proposing it otherwise you are just blowing smoke


- Mike KB3EIA -

robert casey wrote:


Because you can never be certain that the ham will NOT
ever build anything. Additionally, all hams have technical
responsibility for their stations and the RF signals they
transmit.


If the FCC is to trust us with the legal ability to
pop the covers off our transmitters and make
adjustments and modifications, we need to have passed
tests to show that we have basic knowledge of RF and
such. That we'd know how to run and maintain a clean
operation.

It's quite rare that the FCC busts a ham for faulty
equipment anymore.

you know the last time the FCC busted a ham for faulty equipment

an_old_friend wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:


Bill Sohl wrote:


cuting


then you need to read some the treaty requirements, the same treaty
that has been the only keeping code testing the ARS for a couple of
decades

Didn't we cover this before somewhere? There is a long history of
dancing around the treaty requirements. Like medical waivers for
starters....


nope you are simply in error. The waivers (only for speeds above 5wpm)
needed no dance

Oops! I am indeed in error on that!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave:

When the arrl sees fit to serve amateur radio to its' best purpose, and
the purpose of this country and its' citizens, I would be a fool not to be
a member... I await future times...

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:31:56 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

We? Are you an ARRL member? Len certainly isn't.

Dave K8MN

Kelly:

I wish your mother would have told you it is not only pointless to attempt
to control others, it is also impolite... not to mention fruitless...
you guys, which attempt this meaningless control, make me ponder on what
type of idiots you have surrounded yourself with, which would take orders?

What do you call your little group, "Kellys' dummies?" Or, are you just
pulling a fast one on us, and truth is they ignore you and march to their
own drum? Are you sure you are an official in charge, or just
self-appointed?

I mean this all seems quite ridiculous, are you sure the world revolves
upon your commands? I try to keep an open mind, even when ridiculous
posturing people pose preposterous ideas.

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:22:53 -0700, kelly wrote:


John Smith wrote:
Dee:

I was a boy scout leader in my late 20's into my early 30's, it was hard,
my job made some allowances, heck, some of the people over me had kids in
my troop.

I think it can be done alright...

Old pharts shine in positions like supreme court justices, you don't need
the constitution to change all that much, indeed, in over 200 years it has
been a real benefit NOT having much change at all... you just have to
realize where you need young minds and where you need old ones...

It's like this "John": The ARRL is run by an elected, unpaid volunteer
BoD. In any practical sense the ARRL cannot be changed from the outside
but it can and has been changed from the inside. The "solution" is
rather obvious isn't it "John"? So go round up all your ARRL
like-minded member buddies and campaign to get one elected to the BoD
to kick off the "revolution".

In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.

John

w3rv




On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:43:33 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

John

They won't get to it until they are over 40 themselves. Right now they are
building their careers and raising families. Doesn't leave much time for
the major commitment of being in charge of the ARRL.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

AOF:

Hey! You got proof the FCC is interested in an amateurs equipment? What,
is it a gay organization now?

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:40:09 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


robert casey wrote:


Because you can never be certain that the ham will NOT
ever build anything. Additionally, all hams have technical
responsibility for their stations and the RF signals they
transmit.


If the FCC is to trust us with the legal ability to
pop the covers off our transmitters and make
adjustments and modifications, we need to have passed
tests to show that we have basic knowledge of RF and
such. That we'd know how to run and maintain a clean
operation.

It's quite rare that the FCC busts a ham for faulty
equipment anymore.

you know the last time the FCC busted a ham for faulty equipment

John Smith wrote:
Dave:

When the arrl sees fit to serve amateur radio to its' best purpose, and
the purpose of this country and its' citizens, I would be a fool not to be
a member... I await future times...

Sure, "John", let someone else do it all for you.

Dave K8MN

John

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:31:56 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

We? Are you an ARRL member? Len certainly isn't.

Dave K8MN

John Smith wrote:
Kelly:

I wish your mother would have told you it is not only pointless to attempt
to control others, it is also impolite... not to mention fruitless...
you guys, which attempt this meaningless control, make me ponder on what
type of idiots you have surrounded yourself with, which would take orders?

What do you call your little group, "Kellys' dummies?" Or, are you just
pulling a fast one on us, and truth is they ignore you and march to their
own drum? Are you sure you are an official in charge, or just
self-appointed?

Who is asking?


I mean this all seems quite ridiculous, are you sure the world revolves
upon your commands? I try to keep an open mind, even when ridiculous
posturing people pose preposterous ideas.

Well, there you go, "John". I'm trying to keep an open mind in reading
your material. It isn't easy.

Dave K8MN

John

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:22:53 -0700, kelly wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Dee:

I was a boy scout leader in my late 20's into my early 30's, it was hard,
my job made some allowances, heck, some of the people over me had kids in
my troop.

I think it can be done alright...

Old pharts shine in positions like supreme court justices, you don't need
the constitution to change all that much, indeed, in over 200 years it has
been a real benefit NOT having much change at all... you just have to
realize where you need young minds and where you need old ones...

It's like this "John": The ARRL is run by an elected, unpaid volunteer
BoD. In any practical sense the ARRL cannot be changed from the outside
but it can and has been changed from the inside. The "solution" is
rather obvious isn't it "John"? So go round up all your ARRL
like-minded member buddies and campaign to get one elected to the BoD
to kick off the "revolution".

In other words "John" "lead, follow or quit whining, trolling and
sucking up pointless bandwidth" on the topic.


John

w3rv




On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:43:33 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Len:

I await the day when the arrl (ancient retarded religious league) goes the
way of the dodo, or else, is taken over by under 40 year olds!

We need someone to crack a window and let some fresh air in!

John

They won't get to it until they are over 40 themselves. Right now they are
building their careers and raising families. Doesn't leave much time for
the major commitment of being in charge of the ARRL.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE