Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
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Frankie, the question I asked over and over in the original post
was WHAT MCO WAS VIOLATED...?!?!


Since when does it require an MCO for a superior officer to give a
legal and lawful order to a subordinate? The granting of liberty is at
the discretion of the unit's commanding officer. And liberty doesn't
mean you are free to do as you please. If you come back from a 96 with
a decent sunburn you can end up with NJP -- that very situation has
happened more than once.

One Dudly is Student of Herr Geobels

a decnet sunburn geting an art 15 I don't think so, a Bad sunburn sure
shame on you Frank for the LIE

"What MCO was violated?" That's the wrong question, Dud. ...

agains you are slightly off it is the right question for Dudly Dogface
it is the right question if ones goals is decietion

and we both know that is Dudlies goal
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Gee, and all this time you have refused to provide -any- details about
your military "career". How silly of me to think that now, when
confronted with an issue even more intrusive than a few lines from a
DD-214, you would spit up some specific information. Gee, I need to
reconsider my position regarding your credibility........LOL!!!!

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There was no "Camp ....." in Pennsylvania, Frankie.

standard Dudly try to avoid the question byacting stupid, of Dudly
doesn't have to ACT


MCAS ......? NAS ......? Fort ......? BSA troop ......?

secert sub-marine base no doubt like the Naval air warfare center in
INDY
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That is, most -normal- and
-mentally balanced- people.

well said




I'd love to see the MP's dragging off-duty Marines from firetrucks
and ambulances.


That sort of stuff turns you on, huh?

look at the turn of phrase

he loves it, watching MEN dpoing something like that

I simply point out his represed (it seems to point of pathological)
sexual issues
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So...you figure I can make it through EMS school but don't know how
to pick up the phone and say "Something's come up at the base and I
can't make it in..."...?!?!
it has not been established you made it through EMS school

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As a Marine your primary obligation is to the Corps...(SNIP)

Obviously a point you didn't have any respect for until AFTER
those two courts martials, eh...?!?!


Actually, it didn't sink in until after the first court-martial, but
well before the second.

LOL not sure if I am laughing at Frank or the image of in mind eyes of
Stevie reading franks word



(UNSNIP)...and I don't think
-any- hospital with an emergency room would hire a part-time EMT who
is much more likely to miss a shift than a dedicated EMT whose primary
obligation is to the hospital and patients. They might let you in as a
candy-striper.....

Then once again you've allowed us a moment to break into laughter
at your ignorance and arrogance~!


Prove me wrong, Dudly.

honestly in some places I know they are so short of Nurses they might
take on one that they could not rely on (for reason like Stevie's) in
order to have the chance for having enough nurses, don't know anyplace
is hard up ebough for EMT's but maybe

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Name them yourself...I don't have back copies of Leatherneck
anymore...However anyone who cares to do some research will see you for
what you are....


YOU referenced the source so it's YOUR obligation to validate YOUR
claim.... oh, that's right, you didn't understand the meaning of an
'obligation'. Well, now you do so you don't have an excuse. Name one
of those Marines that was written up in Leatherneck for being an EMT
while in active duty. Just one.

I suspect I might be able to name one, Steven J Robeson, just not the
person posting

the more he goes on and on the more I suspect he found the origanal
Steve J Roberson dead, perhaps the current one killed him in a car
accident (or got him killed by telling a lie) and took on his life, but
he doesn't know enough about that life to live it



Is it YOUR contention that all of those Marines were NOT "real
Marines" because they did something that wasn't associated with their
official duties?

I said nothing of the sort. You're spinning so hard now you are going
to fall down and puke.

No...

That's what you've implied...


Have you ever tried to read anything without attaching it to your own
distorted imagination?

I can answer that for him NO he hasn't

Try it sometime -- it will help to eliminate
your moral confusion.

not sure anything can help Stevie
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that's "wrong"...


In your case, it's as wrong as John Wayne Gacy showing an interest in
dressing up like a clown.

like Gacy Dudly can't seem to help it
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When you get done laughing, how about showing me where I said that
getting court-martialed twice is "OK"?

I can explain it for you though

Dudly thinks no one would do anything they did not think was right, and
moral and proper

therefore you must have felt it ok to be courtmartialed or you would
commited hari-kari first, before standing trail, therefore the fact you
are still alive means you found it to be OK to be courtmartaled

Stevie tried the same stunts with me
I say it is ok to lie when diverting danger or direct attacks sthings
like that, therefore stevie claims i have said in the same word it is
desireable that the world is as it is and such lying is sometime a good
idea


Did I miss some law that says once someone uses a latin word in
THEIR motto, no one else can use it...?!?!

Did I say it was illegal?

You obviously have a problem with it...


You obviously have an obsession with it.

nothing about Stevie may be questioned

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I'm not the one with two court martials over his head, Frankie.


I'm not the one who lies about his military "career", Dud.

and you don't have 2 court martial "over you head" they are in the past
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I've proven you to be a liar.


If there's one thing that's lacking in public schools these days it's
the failure to teach critical thinking skills.

yep

which I why I will homeschool


What more could I ask for...?!?!


A better education.

a Life of his own?
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No...We HAVE "proven" my cowardly assertions since you won't
"straight-up" answer the question.


Because the question presumes an untrue premise. And yes, your
assertions are cowardly.

Nah Dudly is the coward the assertion are just inocent victums



Where, Frankie, has NO OTHER MARINE EVER worked a part time
job,


Disregarding the horrific grammatical structure of your question, 3/8
in 1983-84.
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I suppose I should dumb down my statement to a level that you can
understand: Just because some active duty Marines were allowed to take
part-time jobs is not proof that you were ever on active duty.

nor is it proof that if you were on active YOU were allowed etc

Is that
simple enough? Or do I need to draw a Venn diagram (i.e, a picture)?


Geeze, Frankie...That was a loooooooooooooooooooooooong stretch,

Taking a vacation from your "career" as spelling cop?

You took one from being a Marine. Twice.

Your point?


Well, I guess that means that you are no better than me. And never
forget that YOU made the equivocation, Dud.

no he will never forget it

he will never understand he made it

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Why? Is it pertinent to Amateur Radio? Is it pertinent to my
USMC career?

it is at least as related to both as your attack threads about my
sexuality, Todd's, Brain's et al are

stealing the atriubtuion form frank since the word earing repeating
Absolutely. You accuse me of lying because I broke my oath. You broke
-your- oath to your wife and to your God. Therefore, you lied to your
wife and to your God. If you don't have enough respect for your God to
keep -your- oath, what makes you think that you can hold someone else
to the same standard? So it really IS a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do thing,
isn't it?

You will never understand the difference, Dud: I'm not holding you to
-my- standard -- I'm holding you to a -higher- standard, just as you
would expect. Despite this, you waste your time in the newsgroups
throwing around school-yard banter, covering your lies with more lies,
and disgracing honorable institutions by leeching their honor and
integrity to feed your personal pride and delusions of heroism. Even
when I'm not here you pray to me because you don't have the discipline
(let alone the common sense) to avoid arguing with someone whom -you-
describe as "silly". The fact is that you -can't- set a standard that
is higher than mine, a ****bird PFC. Add to that the fact that your
tactics are lame and impotent, your 'facts' are generally wrong, and
you tuck tail and run from every challenge to the legitimacy of your
claims about your military "career", and anyone can see that -your-
standards are well below mine, let alone the standards required of a
Marine Gunny.
ending my "theft of franks word

Nope, you were never active duty. You're a Major Dud.


Or just another toe-hold you are desperate for since you've been
unable to establish one anywhere else...?!?!


Forget it, Dud. It's obvious that you can't address anything that
deals with reality. Don't even try -- you might stroke out or
something.

please don't try to disaude him for taking the most honorable exit
avalable to a person like Him



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I think you've pretty much reached the "desperate for a stinging
insult" phase...


Hmmm..... "stinging insult"..... your words, not mine.

rememebr Len words about "Mirror"

Once again, you're the expert.

Nope. But I am better at math and English comprehension...witness
the following:


Witness this:

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K4YZ wrote:

That's what you've implied...You've suggested that in 18 years
(actually 14 at the time I obtained my initial EMT certification)...(SNIP)

Excuse me...that was "12".....

Steve, K4YZ
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Nuff said.
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I did?

W H E R E did I say I had "TWO CONCURRENT CAREERS", Frankie...?!?!

Mind you, we're quoting YOU now ! ! !

I had a PART TIME JOB...No retirement plan...No 401K...


Oh, so of those 10+ years of experience you claimed to have in 1998,
six of them were actually only part-time? How "part time" were they?
10hrs/wk on the average? So those six years of experience while on
active duty is really equal to only 1-1/2 years or so of full-time
experience? Only a fourth of full-time experience? That's a pretty big
disparity, Dud, although not uncharacteristic of your propensity to
'stretch' the truth. But claiming to have 400% more experience than
you really had..... that's called "stretching the truth a little too
far" and I don't buy it. In your posts you omit the fact that much of
your experience wasn't spent as a career. In fact, you state quite
clearly in several posts that EMT -was- your career for all those
years, even while working at the hospital in California. So either you
lied about having a career as an EMT while on active duty, or you are
lying about -not- having a career as an EMT while on active duty, or
you are lying about being on active duty. Take your pick.

BTW, you never did answer the question of where you were stationed
when you worked as an EMT in PA. Care to give it another try?


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Anyway, you clearly don't understand the difference between liberty
and restriction, something that is known by any active duty Marine
(and probably known by active duty members of the other services as
well).

Sure I do. The POINT having been made that I never stood so much
as one minute of any form of punishment in 18 years inn the Marines...

Can YOU say the same thing...?!?!


What, are you dense? Haven't you been paying attention all this time?
Did I not declare, long ago, that I spent time in the brig? Are you
actually -trying- to look like a moron? If you are, it's working.

and his claim never to stodd for ANY FROM OF punishment for even a
minute

No way he went through BCT ( or what ever the Marines call it) without
it

you don't even have to do anything wrong sometimes

And I never stated, suggested or implied that you "stood" any
pushishment for anything. But that wasn't the issue. Not being granted
liberty is not restriction. Restriction in regards to punishment
simply means that restrictions are placed on your liberty (when
granted). You don't know the difference. You claim to have spent 18
years on active duty, where the duty of every NCO is to pull an
occasional 24-hr shift in the OOD's office (sometimes as the OOD), the
place where Marines on restriction show up every two hours to sign
their restriction forms..... yet you don't know the difference.

You didn't spend 18 years on active duty, Dud.

maybe he means 18 dog years?

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I'm doing just fine.


Ok then, don't grow up.


But YOU are the one making strange assertions unsubstantiated by
facts, Frankie.


You validate my arguments just fine.
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As for me, the only buttons you can push are your fraudulent claims
about being retired, your "seven hostile actions", and serving your
time on active duty -- fabrications which, ironically, are the product
of your self-hatred. It's no suprise that I have become your primary
adversary. But you don't even see that you are really arguing with
yourself, not with me.

indeed

that is going to be his problem in "suing " me if I have harmed it was
only possible with HIS assiatnce, making him my coconspritor

Sometimes I think that you actually -want- me to post undeniable proof
of your bogus service claims so you can quit living the lie. I will in
due time, but not before I get my kicks by letting you suffer the
torment of being stuck in your own web of lies.

Ah a fellow sadist, and Dudly the willing indeed needfull submission.
Np I do hope you enjoy your session

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You were incompetent as a Marine when you were on active duty and
you're incompetent to sit in judgement of anyone who was in the
Marines.


True or not, the fact remains that I earned an honorable discharge and
you got kicked out on a medical. The fact remains that I saw action
(and wish I hadn't) and you didn't (and wish you did).

That is it been strugling for the Charater Dudly sort a reminds me of
Maj Powers

but back to Stevie

anyone that wishes to see combat is truely mad, who is proud of combat

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Kiss my hash mark, Major Dud!!!
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Well that leaves out anyone in THIS forum.


Your charade is getting really old, Dudly.

old eneough it hardly even stink anymore

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Being less that you can be worked for you. Two court martials
prove it.


You have a strange definition of 'proof', Dud. Care to cite a
dictionary or two (assuming you aren't afraid to learn something about
critical thinking)?

I keep asking him to publish one so we can foolow his words



So...Frankie...Have any REAL proof of your "having been an EMT
proves you were a Reservist" claim, or do we just get treated to
another Lenniesque blustery diatribe?


Watching you squirm is good enough for now. I'll break out the
magnifying glass a little later.


Steve "Weekend Warrior" Robeson, K4YZ

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in

So...you figure I can make it through EMS school but don't know how
to pick up the phone and say "Something's come up at the base and I
can't make it in..."...?!?!

More proof that you were never on active duty: frequently there are
times when you don't have access to a telephone, especially when
liberty is cancelled because the alert status of the base or unit is
raised. In those cases, outside comm is usually prohibited because of
security issues. Happened when the US shot down the Libyan jets, when
Beirut got bombed, when Reagan invaded Grenada..... Speaking of which,
I had a friend in 2/8 that I knew from MCAGCC. They were prohibited
from using the telephone several days before deployment, outgoing mail
was held on ship during transit, and even the ship's MARS station was
shut down.

But you never experienced such things because you were never on active
duty..... -or- on float.

This new information gives me insight into how Steve thinks.

We were given an amateur emergency response scenario by one of the
regulars on here. He stated the served agencies requirements and the
number of volunteers available. I said that the volunteer group could
not meet those stated requirements with available resources. Steve
said they could, and wrote a duty schedule with long periods of
uncovered and undercovered periods.

Probably goes back to his "service" days where he left his unit hanging
and thought nothing of it.

In the end, he said that I said that no volunteer group could ever
satisfy an agencies requirements, a lie like his many other lies. I
don't know about the USMC, but in the Air Force, we call uncovered
periods in a duty schedule "AWOL" and the person presently on duty just
eats it.

But I understand that some reserve units are more laid back.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frankie of Silliland, RRAP's Newest Source Of Comic Relief wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 16:18:14 wrote in

My first EMT card was in Pennsylvania in February 1986. PA
EMT-MAST 014402.

Where you were stationed at Camp .....?

There was no "Camp ....." in Pennsylvania, Frankie.

MCAS ......? NAS ......? Fort ......? BSA troop ......?

VA Medical Center? Third floor, room 308?

From: Frank Gilliland on Mon 14 Nov 2005 02:39

On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frankie of Silliland, RRAP's Newest Source Of Comic Relief wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 16:18:14 wrote in
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 31 Oct 2005 06:18:22 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in

etc

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PLEASE CITE just ONE Marine Corps order (from 1986 through 1992)
that allegedly "proves" I was unable/unauthorized to work part time as
an EMT...JUST ONE.

Nice try, Dud, but it won't work. I have no doubt that you -were-
allowed to work as an EMT simply because you were a reservist. It
would be a different story if you were on active duty at the time.

Frank, we readers have NOT seen anything at all to prove Dudly
was active-duty OR in the reserves at any time!

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Then once again you've allowed us a moment to break into laughter
at your ignorance and arrogance~!

Prove me wrong, Dudly.

He can't, Frank. After 7 years in here and NO evidence of anything
of that "18 year career" there's no point in asking for anything
NOW. :-(


Name them yourself...I don't have back copies of Leatherneck
anymore...However anyone who cares to do some research will see you for
what you are....

YOU referenced the source so it's YOUR obligation to validate YOUR
claim.... oh, that's right, you didn't understand the meaning of an
'obligation'. Well, now you do so you don't have an excuse. Name one
of those Marines that was written up in Leatherneck for being an EMT
while in active duty. Just one.

Dudly isn't able to do that. He has NO proof.

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That's what you've implied...

Have you ever tried to read anything without attaching it to your own
distorted imagination? Try it sometime -- it will help to eliminate
your moral confusion.

He is unable to deviate from his massive, long-running snow job
even long after the snow was melted by others.


You've suggested that in 18 years
(actually 14 at the time I obtained my initial EMT certification) that
I SHOULDN'T have had any time or opportunity to be an EMT, and that in
doing so, somehow "proved" that I was never on Active Duty...As if 140
hours of night classes over a four month period kept me from my offical
duties..

Don't try to be clever, Dud -- in your desperation to defend your fake
service record you forgot about the other 3 years and 8 months..... or
was it 5 years and 8 months..... gee, Dud, make up your mind: were you
an EMT on active duty for four or six years?

Must be the "new math" that was taught in school. :-)


You even explained why you used it:

"If having great respect for an organization (the United States Coast
Guard, in this case) that goes so far out of it's way on a daily basis
to save human lives makes me a "paramilitary wannabe", guilty as
charged."

And when taken in context with the preceding post it also makes you a
praise-seeking hero wannabe.

So...I make some positive inferences to the Coast Guard, and
that's "wrong"...

In your case, it's as wrong as John Wayne Gacy showing an interest in
dressing up like a clown.

Careful, he might start singing "Send In The Clowns." :-)


Yet we have you bragging about allegedly being in Beirut

Allegedly? No, I posted the proof, Dud. You should try it sometime.

Most of us readers might like to see some REAL proof from
Dudly. Anything is an infinity more than the ZERO he has
presented.


Did I miss some law that says once someone uses a latin word in
THEIR motto, no one else can use it...?!?!

Did I say it was illegal?

You obviously have a problem with it...

You obviously have an obsession with it.

Nah. Dudly is still dancing around his faux pas. Would a real,
live MARINE use a Coast Guard motto in a sign-off? Wouldn't be
true to the Corps, would it?


I'm not the one with two court martials over his head, Frankie.

I'm not the one who lies about his military "career", Dud.

True enough! However, since Dudly has NEVER posted any reference
proof to his active-duty or reserve career, we have to wonder if
Dudly REALLY served in ANY military branch.


I've proven you to be a liar.

If there's one thing that's lacking in public schools these days it's
the failure to teach critical thinking skills.

Nah. Dud is just trying to turn things around with his very old
trick of personal insulting in order to win message points.

What more could I ask for...?!?!

A better education.

I would suggest a VERY long time in mental health counseling.
He needs it.


You will never understand the difference, Dud: I'm not holding you to
-my- standard -- I'm holding you to a -higher- standard, just as you
would expect. Despite this, you waste your time in the newsgroups
throwing around school-yard banter, covering your lies with more lies,
and disgracing honorable institutions by leeching their honor and
integrity to feed your personal pride and delusions of heroism. Even
when I'm not here you pray to me because you don't have the discipline
(let alone the common sense) to avoid arguing with someone whom -you-
describe as "silly". The fact is that you -can't- set a standard that
is higher than mine, a ****bird PFC. Add to that the fact that your
tactics are lame and impotent, your 'facts' are generally wrong, and
you tuck tail and run from every challenge to the legitimacy of your
claims about your military "career", and anyone can see that -your-
standards are well below mine, let alone the standards required of a
Marine Gunny.

Nope, you were never active duty. You're a Major Dud.

Frank, my take is that Dudly was NEVER in the USMC. It
sounds like he READ about it a lot, wanted to be in,
could not get in, then flipped out. He went nuts,
unable to reconcile his desires with reality.


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I degrade only your service as a reservist, Dud. I do it because of
the way -you- feel about -yourself-. You hate yourself for what you
think are your failings; for being a reservist that never saw action
and got drummed out of the Corps on a medical discharge. And because
you hate yourself so much, it's easy to push your buttons.

As for me, the only buttons you can push are your fraudulent claims
about being retired, your "seven hostile actions", and serving your
time on active duty -- fabrications which, ironically, are the product
of your self-hatred. It's no suprise that I have become your primary
adversary. But you don't even see that you are really arguing with
yourself, not with me.

Sometimes I think that you actually -want- me to post undeniable proof
of your bogus service claims so you can quit living the lie. I will in
due time, but not before I get my kicks by letting you suffer the
torment of being stuck in your own web of lies.

Frank, that is consistent with Dudly's actions in here for
so long. He has this mania about UNIFORMS, about RANK,
wanting to be an officer, a tuff guy hero type. He is
terribly frustrated with the reality of his life and NEEDS
the fantasy that he is all those things.


At every suggestion that I may have "only" been a reservist and at
the point wherein you made inferences that duty as a Reservist was
somehow less-than-adequate.

No, Dudly. I have clearly stated several times that I think there is
nothing at all wrong with being a reservist. It may be different than
active duty, but is no less worthy of pride and honor. The problem is
that -you- don't feel that way. It is -you- that feels a reservist is
"less-than-adequate" and not worthy of the same respect as a Marine
who served on active duty. I just push that button and, as expected,
you thrash around in a defensive fit of grade-school name calling and
emotionally charged avoidance tactics. You really need to learn some
discipline, Dud.

Not to mention consistency in his lies and exaggerations. :-)


True or not, the fact remains that I earned an honorable discharge and
you got kicked out on a medical. The fact remains that I saw action
(and wish I hadn't) and you didn't (and wish you did). The fact
remains that I served my time on active duty while you were a
reservist. Hmmmm...... you claim that your 6 years of EMT work was
part-time, and a reservist is really a part-time job too......

Dud hasn't got his ducks in a row...he needs that consistency
to be believable. He ain't got it.

Let's see now..... one weekend a month, that's 48 x 12 = 576 hours/yr.
Add to that 2 weeks a year, which is another 336 hours. So that's 912
hours/yr, times 16 years (18 years less boot camp and technical MOS
training, a very generous estimate) which is 14,592 hours. Now that
converts to 608 days, or 1.665 years. So for all practical purposes,
after 2 years of boot camp and MOS training you served the active duty
equivalent of slightly more than 1-1/2 years, for a grand total of
3-1/2 years, which is -LESS- than my 4 year cruise.

Kiss my hash mark, Major Dud!!!

He can kiss mine, too...four years active in Army. He can
kiss my "toilet seat" too (Presidential Unit Citation,
awarded to my Battalion twice). Poor guy tried to say
that was "impossible" that it "couldn't have been so."
Not only were those in my official documentation but in
a Signal Corps photograph with the mimeographed data on
the back of the photo. Mimeograph went out years ago in
the military and is terribly hard to forge now, especially
on photographs' backs.

We have two more toilet seats here but I wouldn't want him
to kiss them...he might dirty them up with infection. Why
waste Clorox?

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Your charade is getting really old, Dudly.

Frank, it was OLD when Dud began it seven years ago...


So...Frankie...Have any REAL proof of your "having been an EMT
proves you were a Reservist" claim, or do we just get treated to
another Lenniesque blustery diatribe?

Watching you squirm is good enough for now. I'll break out the
magnifying glass a little later.

Poor Dudly. I stood up against him long ago and he hasn't
forgotten the anger he felt at being trumped. I said in
public that Dudly was doing the Big Lie technique worth of
Goebbels' propaganda efforts of the 1930s in Germany. Dud
then tried to "turn it around" and equate me to Goebbels
for continuing to challenge him for proof of his "service."
In seven years Dud hasn't come around with ANY referencible
proof of all his "warrior" claims. Tsk, tsk.

Dudly uses "Lenniesque" to describe anyone who stands up to
him and challenges him to provide PROOF. Since he can't do
that, he resorts to the Personal Insult schtick in order to
misdirect the subject thread. Very, very old.

Frank, you are on the right track with old Dud HATING
HIMSELF. To avoid that he looks at all his challengers
seeing himself in his mind's mirror and calls them bad
things. Whenever he does this Personal Insult thing he
is really insulting himself. But, his mind is so mixed
up that he doesn't realize what he does.


Steve "Weekend Warrior" Robeson, K4YZ

MAJOR DUD.

Frank, you called it in a previous message. Excellent. :-)

On 15 Nov 2005 13:17:12 -0800, wrote in
.com:

From: Frank Gilliland on Mon 14 Nov 2005 02:39

On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frankie of Silliland, RRAP's Newest Source Of Comic Relief wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 16:18:14 wrote in
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 31 Oct 2005 06:18:22 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in

etc

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PLEASE CITE just ONE Marine Corps order (from 1986 through 1992)
that allegedly "proves" I was unable/unauthorized to work part time as
an EMT...JUST ONE.

Nice try, Dud, but it won't work. I have no doubt that you -were-
allowed to work as an EMT simply because you were a reservist. It
would be a different story if you were on active duty at the time.

Frank, we readers have NOT seen anything at all to prove Dudly
was active-duty OR in the reserves at any time!


True story. Now that you mentioned it, I think even a RESERVIST would
know the difference between Military Police and Shore Patrol. Dudly
has proven that he doesn't. But then again, one weekend each month
doing bends-&-thrusts doesn't build much of a knowledge base, nor does
it reinforce what little he was taught 30 years ago while standing on
the yellow footsteps.


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So...I make some positive inferences to the Coast Guard, and
that's "wrong"...

In your case, it's as wrong as John Wayne Gacy showing an interest in
dressing up like a clown.

Careful, he might start singing "Send In The Clowns." :-)


I intentionally used the Gacy analogy for a reason. Examine, if you
will, the following list of Dudly's interests and behaviors. A common
thread should become glaringly apparent:

1) His 'career' in the USMC;
2) His marital dysfunctions;
3) His 'hobby-turned-career' of nursing;
4) His interest in CAP and YAF;
5) His frequent fits of transference;
6) His history of accusing people of being pedophiles.

How much you wanna bet he used to hang out at the YMCA?


snip
I've proven you to be a liar.

If there's one thing that's lacking in public schools these days it's
the failure to teach critical thinking skills.

Nah. Dud is just trying to turn things around with his very old
trick of personal insulting in order to win message points.


Who's handing out those "message points"? Dave?


What more could I ask for...?!?!

A better education.

I would suggest a VERY long time in mental health counseling.
He needs it.


Mental health counseling is little more than professional coddling,
and I'm sure he spends quite a bit of time in therapy for just that
reason. What he NEEDS is a good ass-kicking.


You will never understand the difference, Dud: I'm not holding you to
-my- standard -- I'm holding you to a -higher- standard, just as you
would expect. Despite this, you waste your time in the newsgroups
throwing around school-yard banter, covering your lies with more lies,
and disgracing honorable institutions by leeching their honor and
integrity to feed your personal pride and delusions of heroism. Even
when I'm not here you pray to me because you don't have the discipline
(let alone the common sense) to avoid arguing with someone whom -you-
describe as "silly". The fact is that you -can't- set a standard that
is higher than mine, a ****bird PFC. Add to that the fact that your
tactics are lame and impotent, your 'facts' are generally wrong, and
you tuck tail and run from every challenge to the legitimacy of your
claims about your military "career", and anyone can see that -your-
standards are well below mine, let alone the standards required of a
Marine Gunny.

Nope, you were never active duty. You're a Major Dud.

Frank, my take is that Dudly was NEVER in the USMC. It
sounds like he READ about it a lot, wanted to be in,
could not get in, then flipped out. He went nuts,
unable to reconcile his desires with reality.


He was in the USMC alright, and he was a reservist. We all know he has
been tight-lipped about his service because he didn't want to expose
the truth about his service. And we also know that he lied about his
"retirement". But what you may not know is that he wasn't discharged
for medical reasons, either. He simply quit. And not voluntarily, I
might add. Too bad he quit -before- Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell"
policy.....


snip
Frank, that is consistent with Dudly's actions in here for
so long. He has this mania about UNIFORMS, about RANK,
wanting to be an officer, a tuff guy hero type. He is
terribly frustrated with the reality of his life and NEEDS
the fantasy that he is all those things.


Uniforms impress young boys.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 15 Nov 2005 13:17:12 -0800, wrote in
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From: Frank Gilliland on Mon 14 Nov 2005 02:39

On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frankie of Silliland, RRAP's Newest Source Of Comic Relief wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 16:18:14 wrote in
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 31 Oct 2005 06:18:22 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
cut

snip
So...I make some positive inferences to the Coast Guard, and
that's "wrong"...

In your case, it's as wrong as John Wayne Gacy showing an interest in
dressing up like a clown.

Careful, he might start singing "Send In The Clowns." :-)


I intentionally used the Gacy analogy for a reason. Examine, if you
will, the following list of Dudly's interests and behaviors. A common
thread should become glaringly apparent:

1) His 'career' in the USMC;
2) His marital dysfunctions;
3) His 'hobby-turned-career' of nursing;
4) His interest in CAP and YAF;
5) His frequent fits of transference;
6) His history of accusing people of being pedophiles.

How much you wanna bet he used to hang out at the YMCA?

did gacy hang out a the Y (never had a reason to be that familier with
the case)


snip
I've proven you to be a liar.

If there's one thing that's lacking in public schools these days it's
the failure to teach critical thinking skills.

Nah. Dud is just trying to turn things around with his very old
trick of personal insulting in order to win message points.


Who's handing out those "message points"? Dave?

Stevie thinks he is


What more could I ask for...?!?!

A better education.

I would suggest a VERY long time in mental health counseling.
He needs it.


Mental health counseling is little more than professional coddling,
and I'm sure he spends quite a bit of time in therapy for just that
reason. What he NEEDS is a good ass-kicking.

i doubt he get thrapy that would mean admiting to himself he has a
problem, and he can't admit it when he is mistaken about the facts
..

Nope, you were never active duty. You're a Major Dud.

Frank, my take is that Dudly was NEVER in the USMC. It
sounds like he READ about it a lot, wanted to be in,
could not get in, then flipped out. He went nuts,
unable to reconcile his desires with reality.


He was in the USMC alright, and he was a reservist. We all know he has
been tight-lipped about his service because he didn't want to expose
the truth about his service. And we also know that he lied about his
"retirement". But what you may not know is that he wasn't discharged
for medical reasons, either. He simply quit. And not voluntarily, I
might add. Too bad he quit -before- Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell"
policy.....

interesting that you say this?

You have proof? You intend to present such at some point?

for myself, Id like to see you get on with it, would make my life
easier to if that maggot get exposed


snip
Frank, that is consistent with Dudly's actions in here for
so long. He has this mania about UNIFORMS, about RANK,
wanting to be an officer, a tuff guy hero type. He is
terribly frustrated with the reality of his life and NEEDS
the fantasy that he is all those things.


Uniforms impress young boys.
yes they do

On 16 Nov 2005 07:45:48 -0800, "an old friend"
wrote in .com:

snip
did gacy hang out a the Y (never had a reason to be that familier with
the case)


google "John Wayne Gacy"


snip
You have proof? You intend to present such at some point?


No proof that can be posted. It's info that recently came back to me
through the grapevine after I sent out a frost call about Dudly a few
months ago.


for myself, Id like to see you get on with it, would make my life
easier to if that maggot get exposed


In due time. In the meantime, just sit back and enjoy watching Dudly
squirm for a while. Right now he has chosen to ignoring me, but he
can't do that for very long without industrial-strength blood pressure
medication -- wait and see what happens when his supply runs out!








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From: Frank Gilliland on Nov 15, 9:07 pm

On 15 Nov 2005 13:17:12 -0800, wrote in
From: Frank Gilliland on Mon 14 Nov 2005 02:39
On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in

etc

Frank, we readers have NOT seen anything at all to prove Dudly
was active-duty OR in the reserves at any time!

True story. Now that you mentioned it, I think even a RESERVIST would
know the difference between Military Police and Shore Patrol. Dudly
has proven that he doesn't. But then again, one weekend each month
doing bends-&-thrusts doesn't build much of a knowledge base, nor does
it reinforce what little he was taught 30 years ago while standing on
the yellow footsteps.

Surprising on his lack of attention. Even a long-ago Army person
would know the difference between MP and SP...and AP. :-)

AP is Air Police to the non-serving veterans of the Code War. :-)



I intentionally used the Gacy analogy for a reason. Examine, if you
will, the following list of Dudly's interests and behaviors. A common
thread should become glaringly apparent:

1) His 'career' in the USMC;
2) His marital dysfunctions;
3) His 'hobby-turned-career' of nursing;
4) His interest in CAP and YAF;
5) His frequent fits of transference;
6) His history of accusing people of being pedophiles.

How much you wanna bet he used to hang out at the YMCA?

All bets off on that! :-)

Frank, put that way, it should be glaringly obvious to all readers.



I've proven you to be a liar.

If there's one thing that's lacking in public schools these days it's
the failure to teach critical thinking skills.

Nah. Dud is just trying to turn things around with his very old
trick of personal insulting in order to win message points.

Who's handing out those "message points"? Dave?

Davie Heil, der UberOberst uf das Amatur Schutzstaffel?!?

BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!

Davie be Der Obliterator, busy busy with his biggest, blackest
Sanford Sharpie trying to STRIKE OUT any contrary opinions to
his lofty opinions...from his vast experience in the embassies'
of mid-Africa "synchronizing" his RTTY machines using morse
code. [see long discourses on his adventures in Guinea-Bisseau
keeping a close watch on nasty commies in neighboring countries]


I would suggest a VERY long time in mental health counseling.
He needs it.

Mental health counseling is little more than professional coddling,
and I'm sure he spends quite a bit of time in therapy for just that
reason. What he NEEDS is a good ass-kicking.

I was thinking of modern medications, new jacket tailoring,
and a padded apartment for "mental counseling"... :-)


Frank, my take is that Dudly was NEVER in the USMC. It
sounds like he READ about it a lot, wanted to be in,
could not get in, then flipped out. He went nuts,
unable to reconcile his desires with reality.

He was in the USMC alright, and he was a reservist. We all know he has
been tight-lipped about his service because he didn't want to expose
the truth about his service. And we also know that he lied about his
"retirement". But what you may not know is that he wasn't discharged
for medical reasons, either. He simply quit. And not voluntarily, I
might add. Too bad he quit -before- Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell"
policy.....

Hmmm...that's rather cryptic...but it seems to fit.

The homosexuality angle might be there but it's difficult to
tell. Down here in the movie capital of the world, one in
five in the entertainment biz are homosexual (came out in two
separate Los Angeles Times feature articles...never a secret
down here). I know several socially and it is NOT always
easy to tell their gender-preference orientation just by
meeting-talking with them. Others are overt about it.

Note the "one in five" ratio. Coincidentally, the membership
of the ARRL is also "one in five" amateur licensees! :-)

Watch the response of the Believers in here and their OUTRAGE
vented at my two sentences just above. There are connections
and then there are connections. This group isn't in the James
Burke "Connections" TV show class.


Frank, that is consistent with Dudly's actions in here for
so long. He has this mania about UNIFORMS, about RANK,
wanting to be an officer, a tuff guy hero type. He is
terribly frustrated with the reality of his life and NEEDS
the fantasy that he is all those things.

Uniforms impress young boys.

...and there's a lot of the "young boy" inside Dudly.

Frankie of Silliland intentionally lied when he wrote:

He was in the USMC alright, and he was a reservist.

Nope. Active Duty, save for the Delayed Entry Program.

We all know he has
been tight-lipped about his service because he didn't want to expose
the truth about his service. And we also know that he lied about his
"retirement".

Nope.

But what you may not know is that he wasn't discharged
for medical reasons, either. He simply quit. And not voluntarily, I
might add. Too bad he quit -before- Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell"
policy.....

Uh huh...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Uniforms impress young boys.

It impressed you.

Too bad it didn't impress you enough to honor your commitment and
stay out of trouble for ONE enlistment, Frankie.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland intentionally lied when he wrote:

He was in the USMC alright, and he was a reservist.

Nope. Active Duty, save for the Delayed Entry Program.

Is your delayed entry period on your DD Form 214? I mean, would it be
on there if you had one?

We all know he has
been tight-lipped about his service because he didn't want to expose
the truth about his service. And we also know that he lied about his
"retirement".

Nope.

Yup.

But what you may not know is that he wasn't discharged
for medical reasons, either. He simply quit. And not voluntarily, I
might add. Too bad he quit -before- Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell"
policy.....

Uh huh...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

He might have been able to have a full career.

Uniforms impress young boys.

It impressed you.

Your flight-suit photo impresses no one.

Too bad it didn't impress you enough to honor your commitment and
stay out of trouble for ONE enlistment, Frankie.

Steve, K4YZ

Does your nurse uniform impress you enough to honor your oath and stay
out of medical trouble? Or does your oath encourage you to shoot your
mouth off and give medical advice on rrap?