On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:58 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
[snip]

First, the DoN needs to learn about lower case; next, they should drop
the superfluous Morse code abbreviations (such as BT) from their
official text messages. I know it's tradition, and I know the
rationalizations they use for sticking to the WWII format, but it
really does look like a protocol used by lamers.

And no hacker wants to hang out with lamers.

Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:58 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
[snip]

First, the DoN needs to learn about lower case; next, they should drop
the superfluous Morse code abbreviations (such as BT) from their
official text messages. I know it's tradition, and I know the
rationalizations they use for sticking to the WWII format, but it
really does look like a protocol used by lamers.

And no hacker wants to hang out with lamers.



Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.

On 21 Apr 2006 14:28:20 -0700, wrote:


Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:13:58 +0000, Iitoi wrote:

R 231756Z APR 03
FM COMNAVSECGRU FT GEORGE G MEADE MD//N00//
[snip]

First, the DoN needs to learn about lower case; next, they should drop
the superfluous Morse code abbreviations (such as BT) from their
official text messages. I know it's tradition, and I know the
rationalizations they use for sticking to the WWII format, but it
really does look like a protocol used by lamers.

And no hacker wants to hang out with lamers.



Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.
given lloyd reported age is a bout 50 by many reports I don't think so

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On 21 Apr 2006 14:28:20 -0700, wrote:

Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.

I happen to have worked for the Navy for more than 20 years too (Naval
Research Laboratory). And TTYs have had lower case capabilities since
the early 60's. Baudot died in the 70's and was replaced by ASCII
(ANSI standard). The Navy kept on truckin' with their old, outmoded
nonsense and used ASCII over satellite links to keep on emulating the
ancient WWII format. The Navy hasn't used real Baudot for years and
years. Their machines aren't even capable of it any more.

Back to the drawing board, devoman1999. You're typing at someone who
has been there. I'm wondering if you're not just blowing smoke.

On 22 Apr 2006 00:51:47 GMT, Lloyd wrote:

On 21 Apr 2006 14:28:20 -0700, wrote:

Well Lloyd what they know and you dont i guess is that TTY doesnt have
lower case. Even though pc's are in use now, their message formatting
and text style is teletype style. Baudot code and all. Join up, it
might do you some good. I happen to have worked 20 years in this exact
field.

I happen to have worked for the Navy for more than 20 years too (Naval
Research Laboratory). And TTYs have had lower case capabilities since
the early 60's. Baudot died in the 70's and was replaced by ASCII
(ANSI standard). The Navy kept on truckin' with their old, outmoded
nonsense and used ASCII over satellite links to keep on emulating the
ancient WWII format. The Navy hasn't used real Baudot for years and
years. Their machines aren't even capable of it any more.

Back to the drawing board, devoman1999. You're typing at someone who
has been there. I'm wondering if you're not just blowing smoke.

Having been Army I wondered at the same thing (and esp not being amry
com) but I suspected as much of course Now I wonder why you say you
wonder if devo is blowing smoke, Being polite and foolish?

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Ok, since you doubt the credibility that fine. I did work Navy
communications for 20 years. Just for grins I am posting a copy of the
recent E9 selection board results. Wonder why it's all in caps??????

Looks like any Naval message I ever saw. (Of what I would call the
GENSER variety)

R 191513Z APR 06 ZYB MIN ZYW
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1/NT//
TO NAVADMIN
INFO RHMFIUU/CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1/NT//
RUENAAA/CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1/NT//
BT
UNCLAS //N01426//
NAVADMIN 108/06
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1NT/APR//
SUBJ/FY-07 E9 (CYCLE 189) ACTIVE DUTY SELECTION BOARD RESULTS//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FOLLOWING SENIOR CHIEF PETTY OFFICERS ON THEIR
SELECTION
FOR ADVANCEMENT TO THE RANK OF MASTER CHIEF PETTY OFFICER. THIS
NAVADMIN IS NOT
AUTHORIZATION FOR ADVANCEMENT, BUT SELECTEES MAY BE FROCKED IF
QUALIFIED, PER
BUPERSINST 1430.16E. SPECIFIC DATES OF ADVANCEMENT WILL BE PROMULGATED
BY NETPDTC, PENSACOLA.


Perhaps you could break down the message formatting.....

On 21 Apr 2006 19:21:04 -0700, wrote:
Ok, since you doubt the credibility that fine. I did work Navy
communications for 20 years. Just for grins I am posting a copy of the
recent E9 selection board results. Wonder why it's all in caps??????
[snip]

Certainly not because the equipment is using Baudot or can't support
lower case. It's in caps because the Navy chooses to do things that
way; not because it has to.

You asserted that TTY equipment can't do lower case, and I replied
that isn't true. As a matter of fact, standard Navy messages are
often produced with special software which runs on ordinary desktop
PCs running Windows. The standard character code set for Windows is
not Baudot. It is typically ASCII or some ISO superset of ASCII such
as UTF-8.

Secretaries are typically selected to be trained in using the message
software, as well as in the somewhat arcane rules for constructing
Navy standard messages. Substantial costs are incurred for training,
software maintenance, and man hours in order to support the use of
those messages. The content or format of the messages themselves is
irrelevant to this thread, because it is the use of monocase sprinkled
with Morse code abbreviations which was originally at issue.

I maintain that it's a throwback to an earlier era and based mostly
upon tradition. A Navy which brags about how modern it is really
ought to do away with those things and replace them with something
more 21st century. It would probably save the taxpayers some money
too.