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not even the Ham Code matter to them only CW


Part of that code is honesty. How honest is it to memorize answers to
a test?
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Al Klein wrote:
How honest is it to memorize answers to a test?


How honest is it to memorize Morse code? Or should
Morse code be derived from first principles?
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
How honest is it to memorize answers to a test?


How honest is it to memorize Morse code? Or should
Morse code be derived from first principles?
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Lets face it folks to be a well rounded Ham one should learn CW. You never
know when it will come in handy. I am not that good at it, maybe a step or
less above a Novice, but I like to fool around with it. One ought to think
about learning it in do time even though it is not required.
My 2 cents worth.



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Slow Code wrote:
wrote in
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CW kills.



Survival of the fittest.

The fit get a ham license.

guess you have not been a hamfest lately



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On 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 -0700, "
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Al Klein wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 09:02:12 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:


Part of that code is honesty. How honest is it to memorize answers to
a test?


absolutely and conpletely honest


By taking the test you're claiming that you understand the questions
and know the answers. By memorizing the answers you're not learning
enough to understand the questions.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand what "honesty" means.

how balanced is to to place CW over all over ham knowledge?


No one is, any more than by requiring people to know the law one is
putting the law "over all ham knowledge".

How progressive is it?


How progressive is it to not require people to know ... oh, yeah,
that's progressive, since the new thing is to hand out licenses
because people have some kind of "right" to get on the air.

how loyal is it to denny the nation the benifits of allowing more
operators


What "benefits" does the country get from more people using radios who
don't know the first thing about them? (Whatever "denny" means.)

to aquire the expence needed to truely work on hf


You don't acquire knowledge (which is what's needed) by playing with a
radio.

how patriotic is it to keep a staion forom aquiing the skill to be
ready for service to conutry and community?


How does playing CB on the ham bands give one "the skill to be
ready for service to conutry and community"? Or any skill, other than
getting what you want? You don't acquire skill by doing something
that requires no skill. And you, particularly, don't acquire
knowledge by demanding something for nothing.
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:14:17 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

The fit get a ham license. All the rest get cell phones, CB, and shortwave
listening.


No, SC - in today's society we can't hurt people's feelings, so the
loud get anything they want.
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Al Klein wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 -0700, "
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 09:02:12 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:


Part of that code is honesty. How honest is it to memorize answers to
a test?


absolutely and conpletely honest


By taking the test you're claiming that you understand the questions
and know the answers. By memorizing the answers you're not learning
enough to understand the questions.

no, one is claiming they can pass the test

which is the only requirement

But I wouldn't expect you to understand what "honesty" means.

I do know what honesty means and you don't employ it


how balanced is to to place CW over all over ham knowledge?


No one is, any more than by requiring people to know the law one is
putting the law "over all ham knowledge"

you certainly are

but no one is required to know the law at all merely happpening to obey
it is enough

the current system place CW over all over modes combined any statement
to the contary is dishonest
..

How progressive is it?


How progressive is it to not require people to know ... oh, yeah,
that's progressive, since the new thing is to hand out licenses
because people have some kind of "right" to get on the air.

try that agin is english if you please

best I can make out is another of your snide (and unfreindly and
illcosidered) slaps at newer ops that have obeyed the rules

how loyal is it to denny the nation the benifits of allowing more
operators


What "benefits" does the country get from more people using radios who
don't know the first thing about them? (Whatever "denny" means.)

you statement makes no sense since obviously anyone that has a radio
and can turn it on knows at least the first thing ,if he/she can get on
the air he know a few more

to aquire the expence needed to truely work on hf


You don't acquire knowledge (which is what's needed) by playing with a
radio.

knowledge is needed why? It is helpfull I grant you but needed vs
experence
well that is Bull**** I know more I supect about radio and RF than you
having studied EM waves and their proerty at the College level and yet
this knowledge is only mildly usefull if I am on the HF bands as I
often am for Feild day or something to be a more effective operator I
need expernce at HF not knowledge of circuts

how patriotic is it to keep a staion forom aquiing the skill to be
ready for service to conutry and community?


How does playing CB on the ham bands give one "the skill to be
ready for service to conutry and community"?

what is playing CB mean? other than then pejoritive
Or any skill, other than
getting what you want?

babble all you like
You don't acquire skill by doing something
that requires no skill.

so you are claiming this is NO skill in passing traffic at HF I think I
could find people that woluld disagree with you
And you, particularly, don't acquire
knowledge by demanding something for nothing.

no knowledge is aquired by learning Morse Code certainly no secert of
the unverse is derived for it

No one is suggesting that ANYONE be given something for nothing
but it is a requirement of law that restictions in access to PUBLIC
reasources must be reasonable in nature

knowledge of Morse code is not realected to prevelegdes it brings ask
the Armmy how many CW opperators it uses in routine affairs, the answer
is zero (intel is not for this prupose routine nor is specail ops)

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Al Klein wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 -0700, "
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 09:02:12 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:


Part of that code is honesty. How honest is it to memorize answers to
a test?


absolutely and conpletely honest


By taking the test you're claiming that you understand the questions
and know the answers.


By releasing the Question Pools, the FCC is claiming that you must
memorize the answers.

No one is claiming any such thing.

By memorizing the answers you're not learning
enough to understand the questions.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand what "honesty" means.


Why not?

how balanced is to to place CW over all over ham knowledge?


No one is, any more than by requiring people to know the law one is
putting the law "over all ham knowledge".


CW is pass/fail. To fail CW denies all HF privs (except for Alaska).

How progressive is it?


How progressive is it to not require people to know ... oh, yeah,
that's progressive, since the new thing is to hand out licenses
because people have some kind of "right" to get on the air.


Then why is it with the prospect of losing the CW Exam, that you'se
guys want to "beef up" the written exams?

how loyal is it to denny the nation the benifits of allowing more
operators


What "benefits" does the country get from more people using radios who
don't know the first thing about them? (Whatever "denny" means.)


It's always been that way. You could even buy Heathkits already
assembled. (and Get a context clue: deny).

to aquire the expence needed to truely work on hf


You don't acquire knowledge (which is what's needed) by playing with a
radio.


Then the military has wasted billions of dollars over the years
"training" radio operators.

how patriotic is it to keep a staion forom aquiing the skill to be
ready for service to conutry and community?


How does playing CB on the ham bands give one "the skill to be
ready for service to conutry and community"?


Who knows? That's not what Mark is talking about, is it?

Or any skill, other than
getting what you want? You don't acquire skill by doing something
that requires no skill.


So it really is all about CW. Why have a written Exam at all?

And you, particularly, don't acquire
knowledge by demanding something for nothing.


The requirements for an amateur radio license have been all over the
map over the history of the service. The ORIGINAL amateur radio
license had no Morse Code Exam, even when Morse Code was the only means
of communicating.

Get over it. Everyone else is moving on.

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