Jack ...

^ CW is an unmodulated transmission ...

^ Radioteletype (RTTY and AFSK) also use unmodulated carriers. On HF
^ bands, most use unmodulated Lower Sideband. As with CW, the receiver
^ reinserts the carrier, causing the AF-shifted beat note.

And CW requires only the transceiver and key while the other data types
require another, often more expensive, piece of hardware.


So am I still correct that the advantages of CW a

- Narrower bandwidth. The bandwidth is effectively even narrower because
overlapping adjacent signals can still be distinguished by the human ear.

- Greater effective range.

- Less equipment than other data types, which also have greater bandwidth.

- Can be used without a microphone and without a key. Just open the box and
short a couple of contacts.

Frank

"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c3873d$fff5f5d0$0125250a@preimuffyaouanyy.. .
Jack ...

the other data types
require another, often more expensive, piece of hardware.

Yes, but I can afford it.


So am I still correct that the advantages of CW a

- Narrower bandwidth. The bandwidth is effectively even narrower because
overlapping adjacent signals can still be distinguished by the human ear.

- Greater effective range.

- Less equipment than other data types, which also have greater
bandwidth.

- Can be used without a microphone and without a key. Just open the box
and
short a couple of contacts.



You forgot one:
Imminent extinction.

CW IWpeb.647553$uu5.104967@sccrnsc04...

^ You forgot one:
^ Imminent extinction.

Not true. You're being childish.

Frank

What is the USA waiting for?? Will we be the only country in the world
with a morse code requirement??

Ireland and Singapore have become the latest countries to
remove the requirement for Amateur Radio applicants to pass a Morse code
examination for HF access.

In addition, Switzerland, Belgium, the UK, Germany, Norway, the
Netherlands, Austria, New Zealand and Australia have moved to drop their
Morse requirements.

Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
is obvious to everyone else.

Jibbs wrote:

In addition, Switzerland, Belgium, the UK, Germany, Norway, the
Netherlands, Austria, New Zealand and Australia have moved to drop their
Morse requirements.


So what? If all these countires jumped off bridges would that mean we
would be nuts for not jump too? What these counties do are their own
business and who wants to be put in the same class as Germany anyway!


Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
is obvious to everyone else.


Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands. God forbid that we have
something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
communications useless and we need to go back to basices. After all its
a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
national emergency. Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:20:10 -0400, GeorgeF in rec.radio.scanner -
om :

Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
is obvious to everyone else.



Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands. God forbid that we have
something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
communications useless and we need to go back to basices.

Like terrorists stab everyone who has a radio transmitter in the throat with a pen,
or even worse? Perhaps a laryngitis epidemic?

After all its a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
national emergency.

That is why I have a 50,000 volt spark gap rig in storage. LOL

Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....

Well, considering McDonalds isn't set up for paper & pen transactions I would
say that is understandable. How does your ebay business do when your computer
takes a ****?

wrote:


Well, considering McDonalds isn't set up for paper & pen transactions I would
say that is understandable. How does your ebay business do when your computer
takes a ****?

I do very well because I still (and always will) do a consider amount of
business and sales via more traditional marketing means such as mail and
newspaper/magzine advertising.

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com
http://www.AuctionWholesaler.com (since edna so badly wants to bring it up)

Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands. God forbid that we have
something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
communications useless and we need to go back to basices.

Like terrorists stab everyone who has a radio transmitter in the throat with a pen,
or even worse? Perhaps a laryngitis epidemic?

Or don't forget the time you will be stranded at the north pole with nothing in sight for miles but a phone booth
with a telephone where the microphone is missing and you have to use the touch tone pad to send a message in morse
code with! I love that one. Always some sort of ridiculous situation that would never happen to try and come
up with an instance where morse code could somehow be used. But then don't forget when you use that phone, the
operator, police, or whoever you call will not understand morse code, and that is the most important point everyone
on that demented side keeps forgetting.

The Emergency Broadcast System never sent messages or tests in morse code, but English voice. The public would
never understand it otherwise.

Commercials and spam are always in plain English so the message can reach as many people as possible, not be
limited to the two people who know morse code. Note how only idiots post binaries on newsgroups in yenc, but
spammers don't, because they want EVERYONE to be able to decode and view the spam, not just two people.

After all its a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
national emergency.

That is why I have a 50,000 volt spark gap rig in storage. LOL\

In a national emergency, people are not suddenly going to understand morse code, so that would be worthless unless
you want to try and communicate with some 80 year old ham radio operator that is a hundred miles away. I would
rather reach some emergency agency personnel that are not going to know morse code, but spent time learning
important stuff instead that will now be useful in an emergency.

Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....

Well, considering McDonalds isn't set up for paper & pen transactions I would
say that is understandable. How does your ebay business do when your computer
takes a ****?

In an emergency, McDonalds, Ebay and Morse Code will be the last things anyone is going to worry about.

So what? If all these countires jumped off bridges would that mean we
would be nuts for not jump too?

Spurious analogy.
There is no correlation between the subject of morse code testing
and suicide.



Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands.

(1) what will you say after 6 months or a year, and the nations you
listed have seen no such degredation in band quality after dropping
the code requirement?

(2) the majority of hams making ham radio code violations on the
HF bands are hams that have had the morse code testing, high
speed testing at that as they are older hams that were tested many
many years ago.

(3) with the rest of the world dropping it, do you really think that
the ham community, with it's growing number of members itching
to ditch the code, WON'T start increasing pressure to the breaking
point to finally ditch the irrelavent and outdated code test
requirement?

The tide's pretty much against you.

God forbid that we have
something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
communications useless and we need to go back to basices.

Ah, but the liberals are saying that no such thing will ever happen, that
the REAL threat is the republicans decreasing civil liberty and
crushing freedom here and that terrorism isn't a real threat.

Are you saying they are *wrong*?

Clint

Clint ...

^ (1) what will you say after 6 months or a year, and the
^ nations you listed have seen no such degredation in band
^ quality after dropping the code requirement?

What is their population compared to the U.S.? Do those other countries have
the trouble on the 11 meter band that the U.S. has?

If the code requirement is unnecessary then what about the electronics
knowledge requirement? Is it necessary to know how a transistor functions in
order to operate a two-meter radio? Should we also drop that from testing?
Should the exam be nothing more than a test of the FCC rules? Can you come up
with reasons to drop that also? Someone will, eventually, if we continue to
drop knowledge and ability requirements.


Clint ...
^ It's just that it no longer needs to be forced down
^ people's throats *involuntarily*

But it isn't forced and it isn't involuntary. An Amateur license is something
that is voluntarily sought.

Frank