"w4jle" W4JLE(remove this to wrote in message

Those of us who worked to learn the code hate to see our Rolex turned in to
a Timex by a group of people who can't afford a Rolex.

It doesn't really bother me. The only bummer part is there will be
fewer and fewer CW ops in the next years. I could really care less if
they drop the code tests. With 5 wpm, for all practical purposes, they
already have. I just can't stand the whiners...Whine, whine,
whine....Such a waste of energy, particularly being they are wasting
it in the totally wrong direction. They should tell it to the fcc, not
other hams, or SWL's on NG's. It's like whining about the broken
cruise control in your Ford truck at a J.C. Penny's. :/
We don't have any control over it, so whining to us is a total waste
of time.
It makes me laugh that someone would spend so much time and energy
trying to convince people that have absolutely no control over the
matter. Better than the freaking comedy channel if you ask me.
MK

It doesn't really bother me. The only bummer part is there will be
fewer and fewer CW ops in the next years.

Not once the code requirement is dropped. You will see the opposite, MORE CW
will be on the bands. Why? Because when you force someone to learn
something, it is not an enjoyable memory or experience and you avoid it after you
don't have to do it anymore. That is just human nature. How many kids
forced to learn an instrument go on to play and enjoy it during adult life? Not
many. But those kids that picked up a guitar and learned it because they
wanted to, ended up playing it through adulthood.

As soon as the code requirement is dropped in the US as it has already been done
in other countries, we will see a giant wave of people upgrading to HF bands as
well as people becoming hams for the first time and not having to stop after the
tech class test but go straight on to Extra as many electronics engineers will be
doing.

Now what happens next? They are all on the HF bands trying it out, and find
that a certain part of the band is reserved for morse code (as is the way it
should be, no one is advocating banning morse code, just not forcing it as a
requirement) and their curiosity will grow and many will want to get in on and
learn it so they can participate on this part of the band too. See, in order
to USE that part of the band, you DO have to learn the code! (you just don't
need to learn code to use the voice part of the bands on HF) So now people
will be learning the code because they WANT to, not because it is a
requirement! And THAT is why you will have MORE morse code users on the HF
bands than ever.

I did learn the code many decades ago, again only to get the license, and in my
case to operate on VHF, I didn't even want to use HF at all. But once I passed
the test, I never again ever used morse code, in fact I forgot all of it except
for SOS and 2 other letters. (R being one, as it is at the end of just about
every 2-meter repeater id)

But when the morse code requirement is finally dropped in the US like elsewhere,
I will learn it again! I have been wanting to learn it again only for the sake
of being able to know what they are saying in old movies and old time radio
programs where you occasionally hear some morse code. I want to learn it for
myself again because I want to learn it, but have not done so because of the bad
taste in my mouth I get from knowing it was forced opon me when I got my ham
license, and the only way I will learn it again is when it is MY wanting to, and
not a government requirement that makes no sense. I already have my Extra
license, (and the original was one of those that came in a nice certificate, not
the crap laser printer kind you get today) so I don't need to learn the code, I
want to learn it again for OTHER reasons, but I will wait until the requirement
is dropped.

Once it is dropped I may actually get on the CW part of the bands and join in the
new flood of CW communications that will grow from the requirement being dropped
and people learning and using it for their own nostalgic use of it, not because
the government or elite snob ham operator told them they had to do it.

I could really care less if
they drop the code tests. With 5 wpm, for all practical purposes, they
already have.

You don't know much about code then. It is just as easy to learn it at 15 wpm
than it is at 5 wpm and anyone that learns it at 5 is only hurting themselves,
because then it becomes almost IMPOSSIBLE to learn it any faster after that!
That is a proven fact, and why smart people learn the code using the farnsworth
method.

Dropping it to 5 wpm was ridiculous and just shows the FCC doesn't know anything
about learning code, or they wouldn't have done this. Either keep it, or get
rid of it, don't reduce it to 5 wpm, that is the most ridiculous and idiotic
thing to do.

I just can't stand the whiners...Whine, whine,
whine...

Yes, but those doing the whining are those that want to keep the requirement,
even after it has already been dropped over a decade ago, and now even the world
has agreed to drop it for HF. They would have done it sooner, but they had to
wait for 2003 for some reason. I told people years ago it would be dropped at
the 2003 conference because that is how far away they pushed off voting on this,
else had they voted sooner, it would have been dropped sooner.

.Such a waste of energy, particularly being they are wasting
it in the totally wrong direction. They should tell it to the fcc,

They don't have to tell it to anyone, it will be dropped without any effort at
all. The FCC dropped the requirement over a decade ago! The HF part only
stayed for international agreement, or that would have gone too way back then.
It just takes the US government a long time to do something, so you just have to
wait a few months, but they will get to it.

So, why does anyone against the requirement need to whine? No reason as the
requirement is gone. The only ones whining are those that wanted it to
stay. And that whining we will have to listen to for another decade yet.

We don't have any control over it, so whining to us is a total waste
of time.

Then why not stop?

It makes me laugh that someone would spend so much time and energy
trying to convince people that have absolutely no control over the
matter.

How much time did you spend joining this debate about something you have no
control over?
Do as you say, not as you do, eh?

Better than the freaking comedy channel if you ask me.
MK

You can say "****ing" now, the FCC has approved the word for broadcast and
children's ears so long as it is not used in a sexual description, so no reason
to be self censoring ourselves anymore on newsgroups. Besides, how idiotic is
it to make up a new word that means the old word as if one is so much more
offensive than the other when they both mean the same thing.

What a ****ing joke.



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Jeff Renkin wrote in message ...
It doesn't really bother me. The only bummer part is there will be
fewer and fewer CW ops in the next years.

Not once the code requirement is dropped. You will see the opposite, MORE CW
will be on the bands.

Right...When they started novices on 10m fone, the use of code on the
other HF novice bands dropped 50% overnight. When they started the no
code tech, the use dropped even farther. Like I said the other day,
whatever it is that you are using, send me some. I want to become
delusional and bark at the moon also. MK