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I want to find out who the new Sweet Potato Queen is.
www.sweetpotatoqueens.com (Catchin' up) probally some woman who came in that big a.. bus. cuhulin |
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-The CBC has decided to add FM transmitters to serve six prairie
cities to improve signals and audience. However, the big 50k AM transmitters will continue simulcasting to provide service to the many small-town and rural communities . Only AM has the reach to cover the large areas involved. If radio in Canada was based on the Eduardo maximum-profit model, the big AM's would shut down becuse the fringe listeners would not meet minimum demographics and therefore would be commercially worthless. But the CBC's mandate is to provide service to all Canadians, not just the most profitable. As long as US broadcasting is maximum- profit, minimum cost (content) these squabbles will go on. The fight for share of a shrinking pie is not pretty. The question is: how well have the radio stations used public airwaves to provide service to listeners? How many plays, concerts, classical music, debates, lectures, 50's and 60's tunes, have you heard on AM? I have heard all these on the CBC in the last week. By ruthlessly programming to the choice demographic and eliminating any other program material US broacasting has achieved Newton Minow's "vast wasteland" and you have to search for an interesting program. By the way, when the CBC switched to FM in Toronto and Ottawa, it increased its audience, which had been dropping. |
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There are a lot of big wide open areas in parts of Canada,some areas
where few people live.hd ibquity just won't cut it for those kinds of areas/places.AM Radio does. cuhulin |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: I know what the problem is... you are stubborn and do not understand that few listeners are even interested in non-local stations, and when combined with signals that are not reliable day and nigh and which can be subject to interference, they don't listen to them. Along with not being interested in where your assumptions are incorrect you don't seem to be as interested in reality as you are your own special view of it. I am making no assumptions, so such assumptions can not be incorrect. The facts are very simple. You are making assumptions of signal strength levels being good enough so noise is not an issue. 1. The FCC provides data by which the field strength of any station can be caluculated in any location. This data and commercial software are so accurate, the FCC is now considering the actual readings of field strength on radials of each directional station or for non-DA proofs. 2. Arbitron provides down to the ZIP Code level information on every station listened to for at least 5 minutes in a week in each ZIP code. 3. Looking at signal strength vs. listening shows that metro area stations without a consistent, 10 mv/m or better day and night signal do not get any significant listening. Stations in the high end of the 5 mv/m to 10 mv/m will get occasional mentions, but not enough to "make the book" and be statistically significant. There are far more than 3 stations that are local to me. "Local" is not a technical term in this context. This discussion is about how "large" a signal has to be to register any listening, and in AM, that level in metro areas is 10 mv/m or above Then take a look at the numbers I provided and you can see that they all represent strong signals. Must be a problem with your contour maps. One station that is "local" to me in LA is KBLA... 50 kw at 1580. But I live to the east of its site, and can barely hear it daytime and not at all at night... yet the towers are less than 10 miles from me. What has that have to do with the signal strength of stations in my area? There are over a dozen. You know this but will not acknowledge it. These local stations put in strong signals so noise is not an issue. There is no problem picking them up. You don't have to "try" for them. If they don't have 10 mv/m in your ZIP, nobody listens, per Arbitron. Well then Arbitron is wrong then or you are misinterpreting them. In most markets, you can pretty accurately trace the 10 mv/m contour of a station via plotting diaries Well then it does not correlate to reception. Stations all over the US realize this, and generally do their audience promotion inside the contour under the theory that elsewhere there is no return on the investment. Your statement that nobody has more than 3 strong signal stations is a complete fabrication. I did not say that. I said there are only 3 signals over 10 mv/m at your location. I did say that few markets have more than one or two viable AM stations that cover day and night the metro. Some have none, like ashington, DC and Ventura, others like LA and SF have a few more. The fact that you will not acknowledge it when called on your bad assumptions shows that you will continue to post articles with fabricated information to the news group. Sorted by distance from my location. Call Freq Dist. in miles City Format dBm KVEN 1450 AM 3.4 Ventura, CA Oldies -29 KKZZ 1590 AM 6.2 Ventura, CA Talk -32 KOXR 910 AM 9.3 Oxnard, CA Spanish -40 KUNX 1400 AM 11.6 Santa Paula, CA Spanish -65 KVTA 1520 AM 12.3 Port Hueneme, CA Talk -39 KZSB 1290 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA News -55 KIST 1340 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Talk -55 KBKO 1490 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Simulcast of KTMS 990 -55 KZER 1250 AM 31.5 Santa Barbara, CA Spanish -56 KIRN 670 AM 32.8 Simi Valley, CA Ethnic -66 KSPN 710 AM 50.9 Los Angeles, CA Sports -60 KNX 1070 AM 61.5 Los Angeles, CA News -54 KRLA 870 AM 61.7 Glendale, CA News/Talk -65 KFI 640 AM 78.4 Los Angeles, CA Talk -68 KOGO 600 AM 168 San Diego, CA Talk -69 Sorted by daytime signal strength. Call Freq Dist. in miles City Format dBm KVEN 1450 AM 3.4 Ventura, CA Oldies -29 KKZZ 1590 AM 6.2 Ventura, CA Talk -32 KVTA 1520 AM 12.3 Port Hueneme, CA Talk -39 KOXR 910 AM 9.3 Oxnard, CA Spanish -40 KNX 1070 AM 61.5 Los Angeles, CA News -54 KZSB 1290 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA News -55 KIST 1340 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Talk -55 KBKO 1490 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Simulcast of KTMS 990 -55 KZER 1250 AM 31.5 Santa Barbara, CA Spanish -56 KSPN 710 AM 50.9 Los Angeles, CA Sports -60 KUNX 1400 AM 11.6 Santa Paula, CA Spanish -65 KRLA 870 AM 61.7 Glendale, CA News/Talk -65 KIRN 670 AM 32.8 Simi Valley, CA Ethnic -66 KFI 640 AM 78.4 Los Angeles, CA Talk -68 KOGO 600 AM 168 San Diego, CA Talk -69 You can't really think anyone would use S-meter readings in place of calculated contours or field strength readings with a calibrated, type approved FIM, can you? Why not? The meter I used on my receiver is calibrated. What do you think a field strength meter is anyway? The point of the numbers above is the signal levels are strong on all these stations so noise is not an issue. Of all these stations, only 3 get significant ratings in your ZIP code.. Must be a different reason other than signal strength, which is very good according to empirical evidence, which means that your data is faulty or assumptions made from that data are incorrect. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , It's been proven in every market Arbitron measures... in urban zones, there is essentially no listening outside the 10 mv/m contour. Pardon me for butting into this love-fest, but let's try to establish an understanding of what really are the objections here. And why this exchange can get as heated as it does. Start with the presentation of Dismissal. David, 'essentially none' is not the same as 'none.' Just as statistical zero is not zero. And what's been bandied about here, is the relative merits of simply dismissing those numbers which don't fit a profile of behaviour mated to a sales curve. No one on either side of this discussion has suggested that 1) there is zero listening outside the contours, nor that 2) what listening does exist outside the contours is in mainstream numbers. Snip David is making that assumption based on signal strength. I am not making assumptions, as I said before. I am stating fact: stations on AM in metro areas do not get listening of a statistically significant nature outside the 10 mv/m contour. Listeners will not put up with weaker signals, and most listeners don't care to listen to stations outside their community. People will not tune into weak signals and there are no more than 3 in a large market so AM is pretty much Dead. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said that, in your ZIP Code, there are only 3 stations capable (depending on programming) of generating significaant ratings (which means listening) because they have a decent enough signal to be listened to. AM is dying, and that is because nearly nobody under 45 listens because the sound sucks and there are so few listenable stations. In a few years, when all AM listening is over 55 in age, there will be no revenue in the rated metros, and the viable format will move to FM and that will be it except for stations that are kept on the air with infomercials, brokered programming and religious teaching formats. I try to tell him that I live in the northern part of one of the largest markets with many more choices and he tells me according to some misconstrued data it is no so. Ventura is not even a top 100 market. It is hardly "largest" in any sense. Its in the LA market area. People commute from Ventura to work every work day. I buy stuff in the LA and many people in Ventura do the same. You may go out of your way to find weaker AMs. 99.9999% of the population does not. I didn't go out of my way, just tune the radio to the frequency, stations I listed are strong with no noise on a portable radio inside the house. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , It's been proven in every market Arbitron measures... in urban zones, there is essentially no listening outside the 10 mv/m contour. Pardon me for butting into this love-fest, but let's try to establish an understanding of what really are the objections here. And why this exchange can get as heated as it does. Start with the presentation of Dismissal. David, 'essentially none' is not the same as 'none.' Just as statistical zero is not zero. And what's been bandied about here, is the relative merits of simply dismissing those numbers which don't fit a profile of behaviour mated to a sales curve. No one on either side of this discussion has suggested that 1) there is zero listening outside the contours, nor that 2) what listening does exist outside the contours is in mainstream numbers. Snip David is making that assumption based on signal strength. I am not making assumptions, as I said before. I am stating fact: stations on AM in metro areas do not get listening of a statistically significant nature outside the 10 mv/m contour. Listeners will not put up with weaker signals, and most listeners don't care to listen to stations outside their community. People will not tune into weak signals and there are no more than 3 in a large market so AM is pretty much Dead. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said that, in your ZIP Code, there are only 3 stations capable (depending on programming) of generating significaant ratings (which means listening) because they have a decent enough signal to be listened to. You are one funny guy. I don't see how your re-statement is different from my summary of your previous post. AM is dying, and that is because nearly nobody under 45 listens because the sound sucks and there are so few listenable stations. Which is BS. In a few years, when all AM listening is over 55 in age, there will be no revenue in the rated metros, and the viable format will move to FM and that will be it except for stations that are kept on the air with infomercials, brokered programming and religious teaching formats. I don't have a crystal ball like you have. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "AM-HDisDead" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 16, 11:41?am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... The real problem is that you, Edweenie, don't realize that you are posting in what is ostensibly a *hobby* news group, where folks actually *do* listen to things that fall outside of the parameters of your little fantasy world. The point is that the radio industry, both in the US and worldwide, is changing. In the case of AM, it is trying to save itself... a task that may not even be possible. DXers generally, in the past, have followed with interest, the industry that produces the signals that are listened too. HD is one of the changes that the industry has determined will help in the future, and it is definitely here. Next week, the FCC has the IBOC/HD issue on its agenda. They are expected to remove the "experimental" STA for HD and authorize the system, and most trade magazines and such believe night HD will also be authorized on the theory of greatest good for the greatest number of people. So it is obviously a hobby concern. And your R8B does not have HD! What a joke - no one is listening in HD. This will just accelerate the death of AM. Even the most skeptical projects over 10 million HD radios by 2010... 2 1/2 years from now. with decreasing prices, others see 15 to 2o million by that time. Satellite has 14 million, and is almost in no-growth... so this is a nice opportunity for free terrestrial radio. I gotta get me one of those crystal balls like the one you use. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"ve3..." wrote in message ups.com... -The CBC has decided to add FM transmitters to serve six prairie cities to improve signals and audience. However, the big 50k AM transmitters will continue simulcasting to provide service to the many small-town and rural communities . Only AM has the reach to cover the large areas involved. If radio in Canada was based on the Eduardo maximum-profit model, the big AM's would shut down becuse the fringe listeners would not meet minimum demographics and therefore would be commercially worthless. The CBC has closed over half of its AMs, ranging form Nova Scotia to B.C. Among the major ones are the 50 kw stations in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal, where the CBC is only on FM today. In general, in Canada there are about half the AMs there wedre in 1980. Canada has a stated policy of only keeping AMs in the larger metros to serve a function of providing niche or minority services not sustainable or available on FM. |
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www.devilfinder.com Crystal Balls
What are those thingys called? Sort of like a fancy outdoors stand with big silver and or gold balls sitting on top of them.I used to see them around here years ago.Gazing balls,or something like that.They are intended for yard decorations. cuhulin |
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Los Angeles (the City of Angels) is a great big City.Look around in your
phone book,you will probally find a store that sells Crystal Balls. cuhulin |
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