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David Eduardo March 14th 07 03:54 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM
stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup
many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.

In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or
stronger
over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450.

Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI
and
KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path.

I'm in 93001. Yes Goleta to San Diego daytime stations are very strong.
Nightime is also good except when I get that phase cancelation of sky
and ground wave, which is solved with the sync. The car radio does not
have that so at times nigh time reception can suck in the car.


Same thing. 910, 1590 and 1450 are the only stations with day and night
signals over 10 mv/m in your ZIP Code.

You get 1250 from Santa Barbara, KSPN from LA and KNX between 5 mv/m and
10
mv/m. The rest are below 5 mv/ m.

As I said, it has been proven hundreds of thousands of times that
essentially nobody listens outside those contours.


I have no idea what you are talking about.


Correlation of ZIP codes where in home listening is reported to Arbitron
with signal strength shows that in larger metros, there is nearly no
listening to AMs outside the 10 mv/m contour, and I told you already how
many staitons have that strength at your approximate location.

There are many more stations
that come in with very strong signals. There are at least 16 of them.
The signal strength meters of radio locator seem to be accurate. Go
ahead and try zip 93001.


Radio Locator labels itself for amusement only. There is a reason... I use
a professional broadcast mapping program and can see the signal strengths at
any ZIP easily. There are 3 10 mv/m or better signals. That's all.



David Eduardo March 14th 07 03:54 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station.
Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami
has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San
Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston
has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1, Nashville has 1,
Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and more to the
suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable.

OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM
stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and
I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles
north of LA.


Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to live in
his
little dream world where everything is just as he thinks it is.


Snip

Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary
contour maps.


.... based on FCC data which allowed the licensing and signal protection of
each station.



David Eduardo March 14th 07 03:59 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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Why are you confused. David says that I can only get a few stations with
a strong signal based on some volts per meter contour maps on those
stations antenna patterns.


I did not say you can not "get" more stations. I said that there will be no
significant listening to stations that do not have a very strong signal, and
this is proven by where each staiton is actually listened to. One thing is
to hear a station (I can hear XEW in Mexico City right now on 900 AM, mixed
with several other stations. I would not want to listen to it, though) and
one is to be able to regularly listen with no interference and noise. You
may put up with crappy signals, but the average listener to radio will not.

Well his information is incorrect.


The info comes from the FCC.



Telamon March 14th 07 04:29 AM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
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.com...
In article , "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
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igy.com. ..
For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station.
Phoenix has two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3.
Miami has one, and that is a stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has
5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2, Dallas / Ft Worth has
3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta has 1,
Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more
and more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to
be viable.

OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM
stations with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area
and I pickup many more during the daytime in my small town 60
miles north of LA.


Now Telemon, you KNOW he doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to
live in his little dream world where everything is just as he
thinks it is.


Snip

Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary
contour maps.


... based on FCC data which allowed the licensing and signal
protection of each station.


Your information or how you are interpreting it is faulty. I have many
stations, on the order of sixteen, that have very strong signals. Noise
is not an issue at all. What does it take to get that through your
skull? Take a drive up to Ventura and see for yourself.

The stations broadcast from Santa Barbara, Santa Paula, Ventura, Oxnard,
Port Hueneme, Simi Valley, LA, and at the very least KOGO in San Diego.

There is like 10 stations 30 miles or less away from me for Gods sake.
Get a new line of crap to peddle. This one really stinks.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo March 14th 07 04:43 AM

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"David" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If
they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR.

Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass
corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting:
diversity.

BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today.


I'm waiting for this lie to be retracted.



David Eduardo March 14th 07 04:49 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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Yeah, now he is telling me what I can hear based on some imaginary
contour maps.


... based on FCC data which allowed the licensing and signal
protection of each station.


Your information or how you are interpreting it is faulty.


The information is composed of two parts.

1. Arbitron diary returns for in-home listening by ZIP code.
2. Signal strength by ZIP Code from professional engineering software, based
on FCC licence values, ground condutivity, tc.

I have many
stations, on the order of sixteen, that have very strong signals.


But only 3 put a 10 mv/m signal over your ZIP. Analysis of AM staitons by
listening location shows that below that level in populated metro areas,
there is, for all practical purposes, no listening.

Noise
is not an issue at all. What does it take to get that through your
skull? Take a drive up to Ventura and see for yourself.


Why should I. I am capable of looking at the field strengths of each station
in your ZIP and knowing that no AM station with less than a 10 mv/m gets
significant in-home listening in that ZIP, I conclude that the general rule
about listening to weaker signals holds true, yet again.

The stations broadcast from Santa Barbara, Santa Paula, Ventura, Oxnard,
Port Hueneme, Simi Valley, LA, and at the very least KOGO in San Diego.


Some in your ZIP have about 2 mv/m. As stated before, you may hear them if
you try, but "normal" radio listeners do not listen to them as they are not
stong enough to be usefully listenable.

There is like 10 stations 30 miles or less away from me for Gods sake.
Get a new line of crap to peddle. This one really stinks.


But, in your ZIP, there are only 3 above 10 mv/m. And those are, buy no
strange coincidence, the only ones that get any significant diary mentions
in your ZIP.



RHF March 14th 07 06:51 AM

why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - Leave AM Radio Alone
 
On Mar 12, 11:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.


In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or
stronger
over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450.


Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI and
KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path.


I'm in 93001. Yes Goleta to San Diego daytime stations are very strong.
Nightime is also good except when I get that phase cancelation of sky
and ground wave, which is solved with the sync. The car radio does not
have that so at times nigh time reception can suck in the car.


Same thing. 910, 1590 and 1450 are the only stations with day and night
signals over 10 mv/m in your ZIP Code.

You get 1250 from Santa Barbara, KSPN from LA and KNX between 5 mv/m and 10
mv/m. The rest are below 5 mv/ m.

- As I said, it has been proven hundreds of thousands of times
- that essentially nobody listens outside those contours.

DE,

There is the old 80% / 20% Rule which is most likely
what you are talking about : You can spend 20% of
the Cost and get 80% of the "Potential" Radio Listeners
'with-in' the Contours -or- You can spend 80% (4X) of
the Cost and get the remaining 20% of the "Potential"
Radio Listeners out-side' the Contours.
* This does not mean that the 'other' 20% are not vailid
"Potential" Radio Listeners 'out-side' the Contours.
* Simply means that the 20% of "Potential" Radio
Listeners 'out-side' the Contours are not Cost Effective
as a Business Objective.
* The Out-Side 20% are Too Costly of a Market to Sell.

Liars - Damn Liars -and- Those Who Use Numbers . . .
Too Misstate the Facts {Truth} !

numb3rs are not necessarily facts ~ RHF

dxAce March 14th 07 09:38 AM

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m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Just back from trying out for 'Prancing With the Stars', David Frackelton Gleason,
who poses as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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The example you made of KOXR is deceptive. Inland is sparsely populated
being mountainous or farmland with most people living near the coast.
It is still part of the market, as sparsely populated as it may be.
These 16 AM stations are moderately strong to very strong. They all
come
in interference free on the home and car radios. I don't put up with
noise and interference either. I'm 60 miles north of one of the big
markets. Try again.
Sorry, but extensive research on literally hundreds of thousands of
individual listeners shows that outside the 10 mv/m in medium metros and
ever greater signals in big ones, there is essentially no listening to AM
stations.
I don't have a problem getting many weaker stations either except when
a
station running that digital crap covers them up.
Yeah, I can often get Kota Kinabalu on 1475... that does not mean anyone
listens to them in LA.
Often? I realize they are probably running 700 kW or so, but *often*?
Even back when I lived in Phoenix in the 70's, 1475 was the bellwether
station for openings to the Pacific. I would say that in the September to
May period, it was detectable at least 75% of nights, and readable half of
those.

On the coast, it's so regular I don't keep track.

This is somewhat tike 935 from Morocco in the 60's in the East and
near-Midwest. Hearing it was no more unusual than haring WSM, and a good
indication of conditions in the Mediterranean: it was 24/7 for Ramadan,
meaning you could use it to predict reception of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the
northern Africans in general, as well as Spain and Portugal.

Similarly, in the 60's in the East, KORL on 650 around 2 to 3 AM EST was an
indication of the potential for Australia and NZ reception.

You obviously do not know much about MW DX, or you would know that 1475 is
so common it has near-pest status.


Pest status.... hmmmm, that seems to be what you've attained.

ROTFLMFAO at the fake Hispanic.


I thought you gave up getting drunk in a public forum.


I thought you gave up being a dumbass Canuck in a public forum, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce March 14th 07 10:27 AM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If
they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR.

Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass
corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting:
diversity.

BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today.


I'm waiting for this lie to be retracted.


We're certainly waiting for a LOT of your lies to be retracted.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David March 14th 07 12:53 PM

why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - Leave AM Radio Alone
 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:43:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If
they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR.

Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass
corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting:
diversity.

BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today.


I'm waiting for this lie to be retracted.

News Update - Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Tough day for Spanish Broadcasting System.
The stock's down about 10% as investors absorb the 9% drop in fourth
quarter radio revenue and Raul Alarcon's first-quarter guidance for "a
decrease in the mid-single digit range." COO Marko Radlovic says "the
big disconnect" is in national revenues and they're working on it with
Interep. Alarcon assures analysts SBS can weather recent morning-show
defections in New York and Miami.


-insideradio


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