On May 17, 4:15 pm, wrote:
I read that what's his name,that Brit dude might go to
Afghanistan,instead of Iraq.(Afghanistan is safer for Brits because of
our U.S.Soldiers over there)
Winston Churchill insisted on being in harms way,and oftentimes he was
in harms way too.Things sure have changed since World War Two.
cuhulin,with billions of trillions of opinions

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Winston Churchill had several doubles. He used to send them in harm's
way while he was safe on the estate. Things are not always what they
seem. Many of his speeches were read by sound-alikes.

Have you ever read The War Magician book? (see if you can find the
book,read it,dig the pictures/photos) I have the soft back pocket book
right here,I read it back in the 1970's.Winston Churchill, (his mom was
an Ameican,ya know) the real Winston Churchill,really did put himself in
harms way,on purpose,a bunch of times in World War Two.I have other
books here about World War Two.World War Two is,and always has been,my
favorite subject ever since I was a boy.Next favorites,Classic and
Antique cars and trucks and motorcycles and old timey jalopy dirt track
dare devil racing and rodeos and horse racing and greyhound dog racing.
cuhulin

On May 17, 3:32 pm, wrote:
Have you ever read The War Magician book? (see if you can find the
book,read it,dig the pictures/photos) I have the soft back pocket book
right here,I read it back in the 1970's.Winston Churchill, (his mom was
an Ameican,ya know) the real Winston Churchill,really did put himself in
harms way,on purpose,a bunch of times in World War Two.I have other
books here about World War Two.World War Two is,and always has been,my
favorite subject ever since I was a boy.Next favorites,Classic and
Antique cars and trucks and motorcycles and old timey jalopy dirt track
dare devil racing and rodeos and horse racing and greyhound dog racing.
cuhulin

You're right that he put himself in harm's way cuhulin. He also
fought during the Second Boer War and at the Battle of Omdurman. But I
think that ve3 is also right about him having at least one, and maybe
two doubles during WW II. That what a lot of people say. But I don't
know it for a fact.
So I think, as far as I know, that you are both correct.
Churchill was a very unique person, I think we all agree
about that. I admired him greatly while growing up. I also admired
John F. Kennedy when I was a young kid. But I don't have any
admiration for his brother, Edward "Ted" Kennedy.
I also liked Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan.
I guess I can sit back now, and watch the slings and arrows
headed my way. ;-)
Cato

Cato

What do you think about what those cats over there at
soc.history.war.world-war-ii newsgroup are saying about Winston
Churchill as regards Australia?

You also might want to do a www.devilfinder.com for, rense.com
Winston Churchill
(everything at www.rense.com isn't kook stuff)
I have known for many years Winston Churchill had stand in doubles.I
used to subscribe to snail mail True and Saga and Bluebook For Men
magazines before they went belly up.Sometimes there were some articles
in those magazines about World War Two.
cuhulin

"Cato" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 17, 3:32 pm, wrote:
Have you ever read The War Magician book? (see if you can find the
book,read it,dig the pictures/photos) I have the soft back pocket book
right here,I read it back in the 1970's.Winston Churchill, (his mom was
an Ameican,ya know) the real Winston Churchill,really did put himself in
harms way,on purpose,a bunch of times in World War Two.I have other
books here about World War Two.World War Two is,and always has been,my
favorite subject ever since I was a boy.Next favorites,Classic and
Antique cars and trucks and motorcycles and old timey jalopy dirt track
dare devil racing and rodeos and horse racing and greyhound dog racing.
cuhulin

You're right that he put himself in harm's way cuhulin. He also
fought during the Second Boer War and at the Battle of Omdurman. But I
think that ve3 is also right about him having at least one, and maybe
two doubles during WW II. That what a lot of people say. But I don't
know it for a fact.
So I think, as far as I know, that you are both correct.
Churchill was a very unique person, I think we all agree
about that. I admired him greatly while growing up. I also admired
John F. Kennedy when I was a young kid. But I don't have any
admiration for his brother, Edward "Ted" Kennedy.
I also liked Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan.
I guess I can sit back now, and watch the slings and arrows
headed my way. ;-)
Cato

Cato

I gloat over that marvelous quotation attributed to
Sir Winston Churchill : "The greatness of a man
" is measured by the venom of his enemies".
Think of that when the "slings and arrows"
show up on your radar !! miki.

You mentioned the book "The War Magician" in relation to Winston Churchill.
The only reference i could find to this book was a "Major Jasper Maskelyne"
who used his techniques of magic/illusion to defeat the nazis. Nothing was
mentioned concerning Winston Churchill.

"Cato" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 17, 3:32 pm, wrote:
Have you ever read The War Magician book? (see if you can find the
book,read it,dig the pictures/photos) I have the soft back pocket book
right here,I read it back in the 1970's.Winston Churchill, (his mom was
an Ameican,ya know) the real Winston Churchill,really did put himself in
harms way,on purpose,a bunch of times in World War Two.I have other
books here about World War Two.World War Two is,and always has been,my
favorite subject ever since I was a boy.Next favorites,Classic and
Antique cars and trucks and motorcycles and old timey jalopy dirt track
dare devil racing and rodeos and horse racing and greyhound dog racing.
cuhulin

You're right that he put himself in harm's way cuhulin. He also
fought during the Second Boer War and at the Battle of Omdurman. But I
think that ve3 is also right about him having at least one, and maybe
two doubles during WW II. That what a lot of people say. But I don't
know it for a fact.
So I think, as far as I know, that you are both correct.
Churchill was a very unique person, I think we all agree
about that. I admired him greatly while growing up. I also admired
John F. Kennedy when I was a young kid. But I don't have any
admiration for his brother, Edward "Ted" Kennedy.
I also liked Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan.
I guess I can sit back now, and watch the slings and arrows
headed my way. ;-)
Cato

Cato

If the photo isn't in that book,it is in another book I have here.A
photo of a British Ship off the coast of France and Winston Churchill is
inspecting some Gun emplacements on shore.There is enemy fire coming in
and he was asked to get back inside the bunker where it is safer,but he
didn't get back inside.

I am not neat and tidy and orderly.My books and stuff are scattered all
over the place in my dusty old house.It would take me more time than I
care to spend looking for that photo.Ever since I got internet access
and DirecTV, I stay glued to the couch.

The Real Churchill - Mises Institute
www.mises.org/story/1450
cuhulin

On May 18, 9:30 am, wrote:
If the photo isn't in that book,it is in another book I have here.A
photo of a British Ship off the coast of France and Winston Churchill is
inspecting some Gun emplacements on shore.There is enemy fire coming in
and he was asked to get back inside the bunker where it is safer,but he
didn't get back inside.

I am not neat and tidy and orderly.My books and stuff are scattered all
over the place in my dusty old house.It would take me more time than I
care to spend looking for that photo.Ever since I got internet access
and DirecTV, I stay glued to the couch.

The Real Churchill - Mises Institutewww.mises.org/story/1450
cuhulin

Something else interesting about Churchill is that the United States
made him an Honorary Citizen of the United States of America.
Cuhulin, I have read some of Von Mises works. I
believe that he was a great friend of freedom.
Best regards,
Cato

Citizen of the United States of America



Declaration of Citizenship
Response by President John F. Kennedy
and the Response by Winston Churchill

Declaration of Honorary Citizen
of United States of America
April 9, 1963



BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS Sir Winston Churchill, a son of America though a subject of
Britain, has been throughout his life a firm and steadfast friend of
the American people and the American nation; and

WHEREAS he has freely offered his hand and his faith in days of
adversity as well as triumph; and

WHEREAS his bravery, charity and valor, both in war and in peace, have
been a flame of inspiration in freedom's darkest hour; and

WHEREAS his life has shown that no adversary can overcome, and no feat
can deter, free men in the defense of their freedom; and

WHEREAS he has by his art as an historian and his judgment as a
statesman made the past the servant of the future;

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOHN F. KENNEDY, President of the United States of
America, under the authority contained in an Act of the 88th Congress,
do hereby declare Sir Winston Churchill an honorary citizen of the
United States of America.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of
the United States of America to be affixed.

DONE at the City of Washington this ninth day of April, in the year of
our Lord nineteen hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of
the United States of America the one hundred and eighty-seventh.

JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Remarks by President John F. Kennedy at
the White House, Washington D.C., April 9, 1963

We meet to honor a man whose honor requires no meeting -- for he is
the most honored and honorable man to walk the stage of human history
in the time in which we live.

Whenever and wherever tyranny threatened, he has always championed
liberty.

Facing firmly toward the future, he has never forgotten the past.

Serving six monarchs of his native Great Britain, he has served all
men's freedom and dignity.

In the dark days and darker nights when Britain stood alone -- and
most men save Englishmen despaired of England's life -- he mobilized
the English language and sent it into battle. The incandescent quality
of his words illuminated the courage of his countrymen.

Given unlimited powers by his citizens, he was ever vigilant to
protect their rights.

Indifferent himself to danger, he wept over the sorrows of others.

A child of the House of Commons, he became in time its father.

Accustomed to the hardships of battle, he has no distaste for
pleasure.

Now his stately Ship of Life, having weathered the severest storms of
a troubled century, is anchored in tranquil waters, proof that courage
and faith and the zest for freedom are truly indestructible. The
record of his triumphant passage will inspire free hearts for all
time.

By adding his name to our rolls, we mean to honor him -- but his
acceptance honors us far more. For no statement or proclamation can
enrich his name -- the name Sir Winston Churchill is already legend.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sir Winston's response
28 Hyde Park Gate, London, April 6, 1963
As read at the White House
by Randolph S. Churchill, April 9, 1963

Mr. President,

I have been informed by Mr. David Bruce that it is your intention to
sign a Bill conferring upon me Honorary Citizenship of the United
States.

I have received many kindnesses from the United States of America, but
the honour which you now accord me is without parallel. I accept it
with deep gratitude and affection.

I am also most sensible of the warm-hearted action of the individual
States who accorded me the great compliment of their own honorary
citizenships as a prelude to this Act of Congress.

It is a remarkable comment on our affairs that the former Prime
Minister of a great sovereign state should thus be received as an
honorary citizen of another. I say "great sovereign state" with design
and emphasis, for I reject the view that Britain and the Commonwealth
should now be relegated to a tame and minor role in the world. Our
past is the key to our future, which I firmly trust and believe will
be no less fertile and glorious. Let no man underrate our energies,
our potentialities and our abiding power for good.

I am, as you know, half American by blood, and the story of my
association with that mighty and benevolent nation goes back nearly
ninety years to the day of my Father's marriage. In this century of
storm and tragedy I contemplate with high satisfaction the constant
factor of the interwoven and upward progress of our peoples. Our
comradeship and our brotherhood in war were unexampled. We stood
together, and because of that fact the free world now stands. Nor has
our partnership any exclusive natu the Atlantic community is a
dream that can well be fulfilled to the detriment of none and to the
enduring benefit and honour of the great democracies.

Mr. President, your action illuminates the theme of unity of the
English-speaking peoples, to which I have devoted a large part of my
life. I would ask you to accept yourself, and to convey to both Houses
of Congress, and through them to the American people, my solemn and
heartfelt thanks for this unique distinction, which will always be
proudly remembered by my descendants.

WINSTON S. CHURCHILL

Cato wrote:

On May 18, 9:30 am, wrote:
If the photo isn't in that book,it is in another book I have here.A
photo of a British Ship off the coast of France and Winston Churchill is
inspecting some Gun emplacements on shore.There is enemy fire coming in
and he was asked to get back inside the bunker where it is safer,but he
didn't get back inside.

I am not neat and tidy and orderly.My books and stuff are scattered all
over the place in my dusty old house.It would take me more time than I
care to spend looking for that photo.Ever since I got internet access
and DirecTV, I stay glued to the couch.

The Real Churchill - Mises Institutewww.mises.org/story/1450
cuhulin

Something else interesting about Churchill is that the United States
made him an Honorary Citizen of the United States of America.
Cuhulin, I have read some of Von Mises works. I
believe that he was a great friend of freedom.
Best regards,
Cato

Citizen of the United States of America

Declaration of Citizenship
Response by President John F. Kennedy
and the Response by Winston Churchill

Declaration of Honorary Citizen
of United States of America
April 9, 1963

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION

WHEREAS Sir Winston Churchill, a son of America though a subject of
Britain, has been throughout his life a firm and steadfast friend of
the American people and the American nation; and

WHEREAS he has freely offered his hand and his faith in days of
adversity as well as triumph; and

WHEREAS his bravery, charity and valor, both in war and in peace, have
been a flame of inspiration in freedom's darkest hour; and

WHEREAS his life has shown that no adversary can overcome, and no feat
can deter, free men in the defense of their freedom; and

WHEREAS he has by his art as an historian and his judgment as a
statesman made the past the servant of the future;

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOHN F. KENNEDY, President of the United States of
America, under the authority contained in an Act of the 88th Congress,
do hereby declare Sir Winston Churchill an honorary citizen of the
United States of America.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of
the United States of America to be affixed.

DONE at the City of Washington this ninth day of April, in the year of
our Lord nineteen hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of
the United States of America the one hundred and eighty-seventh.

JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Remarks by President John F. Kennedy at
the White House, Washington D.C., April 9, 1963

We meet to honor a man whose honor requires no meeting -- for he is
the most honored and honorable man to walk the stage of human history
in the time in which we live.

Whenever and wherever tyranny threatened, he has always championed
liberty.

Facing firmly toward the future, he has never forgotten the past.

Serving six monarchs of his native Great Britain, he has served all
men's freedom and dignity.

In the dark days and darker nights when Britain stood alone -- and
most men save Englishmen despaired of England's life -- he mobilized
the English language and sent it into battle. The incandescent quality
of his words illuminated the courage of his countrymen.

Given unlimited powers by his citizens, he was ever vigilant to
protect their rights.

Indifferent himself to danger, he wept over the sorrows of others.

A child of the House of Commons, he became in time its father.

Accustomed to the hardships of battle, he has no distaste for
pleasure.

Now his stately Ship of Life, having weathered the severest storms of
a troubled century, is anchored in tranquil waters, proof that courage
and faith and the zest for freedom are truly indestructible. The
record of his triumphant passage will inspire free hearts for all
time.

By adding his name to our rolls, we mean to honor him -- but his
acceptance honors us far more. For no statement or proclamation can
enrich his name -- the name Sir Winston Churchill is already legend.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sir Winston's response
28 Hyde Park Gate, London, April 6, 1963
As read at the White House
by Randolph S. Churchill, April 9, 1963

Mr. President,

I have been informed by Mr. David Bruce that it is your intention to
sign a Bill conferring upon me Honorary Citizenship of the United
States.

I have received many kindnesses from the United States of America, but
the honour which you now accord me is without parallel. I accept it
with deep gratitude and affection.

I am also most sensible of the warm-hearted action of the individual
States who accorded me the great compliment of their own honorary
citizenships as a prelude to this Act of Congress.

It is a remarkable comment on our affairs that the former Prime
Minister of a great sovereign state should thus be received as an
honorary citizen of another. I say "great sovereign state" with design
and emphasis, for I reject the view that Britain and the Commonwealth
should now be relegated to a tame and minor role in the world. Our
past is the key to our future, which I firmly trust and believe will
be no less fertile and glorious. Let no man underrate our energies,
our potentialities and our abiding power for good.

I am, as you know, half American by blood, and the story of my
association with that mighty and benevolent nation goes back nearly
ninety years to the day of my Father's marriage. In this century of
storm and tragedy I contemplate with high satisfaction the constant
factor of the interwoven and upward progress of our peoples. Our
comradeship and our brotherhood in war were unexampled. We stood
together, and because of that fact the free world now stands. Nor has
our partnership any exclusive natu the Atlantic community is a
dream that can well be fulfilled to the detriment of none and to the
enduring benefit and honour of the great democracies.

Mr. President, your action illuminates the theme of unity of the
English-speaking peoples, to which I have devoted a large part of my
life. I would ask you to accept yourself, and to convey to both Houses
of Congress, and through them to the American people, my solemn and
heartfelt thanks for this unique distinction, which will always be
proudly remembered by my descendants.

WINSTON S. CHURCHILL

And by golly, he wasn't a dumbass Canuck, as the Canuck is no match for the likes of
Sir Winston.

Cato.........How does the history of winston churchill relate to the forum
of shortwave radio?
"Cato" wrote in message
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On May 17, 3:32 pm, wrote:
Have you ever read The War Magician book? (see if you can find the
book,read it,dig the pictures/photos) I have the soft back pocket book
right here,I read it back in the 1970's.Winston Churchill, (his mom was
an Ameican,ya know) the real Winston Churchill,really did put himself in
harms way,on purpose,a bunch of times in World War Two.I have other
books here about World War Two.World War Two is,and always has been,my
favorite subject ever since I was a boy.Next favorites,Classic and
Antique cars and trucks and motorcycles and old timey jalopy dirt track
dare devil racing and rodeos and horse racing and greyhound dog racing.
cuhulin

You're right that he put himself in harm's way cuhulin. He also
fought during the Second Boer War and at the Battle of Omdurman. But I
think that ve3 is also right about him having at least one, and maybe
two doubles during WW II. That what a lot of people say. But I don't
know it for a fact.
So I think, as far as I know, that you are both correct.
Churchill was a very unique person, I think we all agree
about that. I admired him greatly while growing up. I also admired
John F. Kennedy when I was a young kid. But I don't have any
admiration for his brother, Edward "Ted" Kennedy.
I also liked Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan.
I guess I can sit back now, and watch the slings and arrows
headed my way. ;-)
Cato

Cato