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On Sep 3, 3:55?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

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The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't
even 50% that of analogs !

Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty of
data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust beyond
the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM curve
and the 64 dbu FM contour.

"A Station Owner's View of HD Radio Industry"

"We were told back in the beginning that the HD coverage would be
equal to the analog signal. Unfortunately, the industry is now finding
out this is not the case, that the HD coverage is considerably less,
something like 60% of the analog coverage. We've also found that even
in a strong HD signal area, a dipole antenna is required. We were also
told that the HD would lessen interference with adjacent channel
signals. That also appears not to be the case. This is really very
discouraging and is leading us to wonder why we should bother to
promote HD. To do so will only disappoint, and, perhaps, antagonize a
significant segment of the audience who finds that the system doesn't
deliver."

http://www.audiographics.com/agd/061206-1.htm

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"dxAce" wrote in message
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David "Yes, I know I'm an idiot, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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So solly cholly, I'm receiving Social Security, not welfare. I also
receive my
pension from the Union, and next year I'll get my pension from the
Company. I also
have about $180,000 invested that I can tap into as well.


In other words, you have no job. That means you are not employed.

Yeah! But I'm not "unemployed", you stinking piece of fake Hispanic ****!


The term "unemployed" per the Oxford American Dictionary means, simply,
"without a job." The Encarta dictionary says, "jobless."

Both of those fit your status.

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On Sep 3, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Sep 3, 3:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid
listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we
have
here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system
that
is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have the data, why won't you read it and take it to heart? You
can't breathe new life into the horse-drawn carriage by putting shiny
new wheels on it. I appreciate that you probably have an emotional
investment in AM that makes it hard to acknowledge the challenges it
faces, but it will be easier to confront the facts now than later.

There are 430 AM stations billing over $1,000,000 a year, and ten billing
over $33 million. 2523 AMs are in the top 10 in billing in the rated
markets. 15 of the top 50 billing stations in America are AM.

AM is not dead yet, but the number of viable stations is low; all of those
high billing 15 stations are stations that fully cover their markets,
although not all are 50 kw clear channel stations.


You're damned straight it's low, and it will get lower if you refuse
to face reality. AM must modernize, and I don't mean a quick, digital
paint job...I mean a real overhaul. Otherwise you will soon be out of
a job.


The problem is that the programming on those stations works, but the appeal
to the generations that grew up on FM is lessened by the quality of AM
sound. Put the same format on FM, and it literally explodes in younger
demos. The answer is to fixs the sound, not to give up on billions of
dollars in assets and many tens of thousands of jobs.

This is where you talk yourself into believing that the problems
confronting AM are not real. This is really where you need to work.
The problems facing you now are serious, and urgent. You must face
them and deal with them. You must modernize.

Seriously, I wish things were different. I wish I could convince young
people not to buy ipods or iphones. I wish I could convince them to
stay away from myspace and facebook, but I can't. No one can. The
sooner you face this fact that better.

Various studies show that iPod users are greater consumers of radio than
non-users of iPods. The other things you mention are no different than the
completion from 45 rpm records, 8 Tracks, cassettes, video games, etc. There
are lots of entertainment choices, and always have been. In the 50's, TV was
going to kill radio... it just made radio change for the better. HD is one
of the changes that could improve AM radio; it certainly opens up many
opportunities for FMs to provide more formats and services in better
quality.

Thus speaks David "Pollyanna" Eduardo. Fine. Just let AM go one just
as it always has. Let the audience continue aging while not attracting
any new blood, and see where it gets you. Soon you'll be running
infomercials about cemetery plots.

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David "Yeah, I know I can't face reality, so I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David "Yes, I know I'm an idiot, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So solly cholly, I'm receiving Social Security, not welfare. I also
receive my
pension from the Union, and next year I'll get my pension from the
Company. I also
have about $180,000 invested that I can tap into as well.


In other words, you have no job. That means you are not employed.

Yeah! But I'm not "unemployed", you stinking piece of fake Hispanic ****!


The term "unemployed" per the Oxford American Dictionary means, simply,
"without a job." The Encarta dictionary says, "jobless."

Both of those fit your status.

Fake Hispanic fits yours!

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Steve wrote:

On Sep 3, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Sep 3, 3:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid
listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we
have
here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system
that
is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have the data, why won't you read it and take it to heart? You
can't breathe new life into the horse-drawn carriage by putting shiny
new wheels on it. I appreciate that you probably have an emotional
investment in AM that makes it hard to acknowledge the challenges it
faces, but it will be easier to confront the facts now than later.

There are 430 AM stations billing over $1,000,000 a year, and ten billing
over $33 million. 2523 AMs are in the top 10 in billing in the rated
markets. 15 of the top 50 billing stations in America are AM.

AM is not dead yet, but the number of viable stations is low; all of those
high billing 15 stations are stations that fully cover their markets,
although not all are 50 kw clear channel stations.

You're damned straight it's low, and it will get lower if you refuse
to face reality. AM must modernize, and I don't mean a quick, digital
paint job...I mean a real overhaul. Otherwise you will soon be out of
a job.


The problem is that the programming on those stations works, but the appeal
to the generations that grew up on FM is lessened by the quality of AM
sound. Put the same format on FM, and it literally explodes in younger
demos. The answer is to fixs the sound, not to give up on billions of
dollars in assets and many tens of thousands of jobs.

This is where you talk yourself into believing that the problems
confronting AM are not real. This is really where you need to work.
The problems facing you now are serious, and urgent. You must face
them and deal with them. You must modernize.

Seriously, I wish things were different. I wish I could convince young
people not to buy ipods or iphones. I wish I could convince them to
stay away from myspace and facebook, but I can't. No one can. The
sooner you face this fact that better.

Various studies show that iPod users are greater consumers of radio than
non-users of iPods. The other things you mention are no different than the
completion from 45 rpm records, 8 Tracks, cassettes, video games, etc. There
are lots of entertainment choices, and always have been. In the 50's, TV was
going to kill radio... it just made radio change for the better. HD is one
of the changes that could improve AM radio; it certainly opens up many
opportunities for FMs to provide more formats and services in better
quality.

Thus speaks David "Pollyanna" Eduardo. Fine. Just let AM go one just
as it always has. Let the audience continue aging while not attracting
any new blood, and see where it gets you. Soon you'll be running
infomercials about cemetery plots.

Cemetary plots... used to be part of the Gleason family business!

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Eduardo,

Your math is faulty. You are not factoring in the human lifespan, the
average of which is currently about 73 years, outside forces
notwithstanding. There are far more people UNDER 50 years old than OVER 50
years old. So, if your average age is 50, that brings your minimum age up
considerably, since you have far fewer over 50 than under.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
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The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage
isn't
even 50% that of analogs !


Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen
plenty
of
data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust
beyond
the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM
curve
and the 64 dbu FM contour.

Gee, to bad you don't understand what that means.

I understand perfectly. I did one of the first studies of listenership
vs.
signal strength over a decade ago.

I'm pretty sure reading your posts you have no understanding volts per
meter means. I don't think you know what dBu is either.


As stated previously, I actually built the first FM station in Ecuador from
scratch, including transmitter, studio gear and antenna. I certainly know
what the terms of field strength mean. I think anyone who can build an FM
exciter from scratch probably can understand voltages pretty well.

I have also lugged field strength meters around various FCC jurisdictions
while working on directional antenna patterns ranging from WEEL to WQII to
KTNQ.

The minimum contour for FM stations to get significant listening is the 64
dbu, roughly 1.5 mv/m. For AM in metros, it is about 10 mv/m. Both AM and FM
are measurements of the strength of the EMF from a transmitter at some point
of distance from it dBu used to be called dBv but got confused with dBV,
and was changed. It's a decibel measurement of voltage.... as my equivalency
shows.

The whole point here is that the average listener... about 96% to 97% of
them, in fact, will not listen to a signal below a certain level and all but
three to four percent of stationary AM and FM listening in rated metros
comes from areas within the 10 vv/m and 64 dbu contours of AM and FM
stations.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.


You know what it would take to make terrestrial commercial radio extinct?
If XM and Sirius both had a non-pay basic tier that was commercially funded,
that would pretty much do it. Nearly universal coverage, and now they have
walkman-sized personal portables.

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Brenda Ann wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Eduardo,

Your math is faulty.

That's not all that's faulty!

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"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 6:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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I don't blame him for being full of bile and invective. He's probably
sick of hearing you preach about how we have to cling to the
technologies of the past.

Far better than hearing you lie about the composition of radio audiences.

You might not like it, but it's a fact. The AM audience is getting
older by the minute. Just about all of the listeners younger than 50
have already left.

Then explain why, nationally, the average age for AM listening is UNDER 50,
per Arbitron.

Soon no one will be listening. You must modernize
or you will soon be out of business. Those are the facts. You must
live with them.

There are many years left, and many more if AM develops HD to its benefit.