Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

"Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"

This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.

Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
- by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.

HD radio has all the earmarks of the second scenario. Since there was
a gag order - you can bet there are technical issues we haven't even
heard about yet. Ibiquity - you can stick a fork in them, they are
DONE. At some point, the people in the company with the most to gain
financially are going to sell their stock and retire somewhere exotic,
out of reach of US law. Their legacy? Broadcast bands in shambles,
radio manufacturers with warehouses full of unsold HD radios, stations
with an orphan system that is unsupported. Listeners with buzzing in
their ears. But - it will have made a few people very rich.
Shouldn't we all be happy about that?!

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....c,79682.0.html

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

IBOCcrock wrote:
"Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"

This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.

Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
- by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.



Now THAT just smacks of Enron. C'mon....


HD radio has all the earmarks of the second scenario. Since there was
a gag order - you can bet there are technical issues we haven't even
heard about yet. Ibiquity - you can stick a fork in them, they are
DONE. At some point, the people in the company with the most to gain
financially are going to sell their stock and retire somewhere exotic,
out of reach of US law. Their legacy? Broadcast bands in shambles,
radio manufacturers with warehouses full of unsold HD radios, stations
with an orphan system that is unsupported. Listeners with buzzing in
their ears. But - it will have made a few people very rich.
Shouldn't we all be happy about that?!

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....c,79682.0.html

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

On Aug 29, 12:02 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
IBOCcrock wrote:
"Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"

This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.

Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
- by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.

Now THAT just smacks of Enron. C'mon....



HD radio has all the earmarks of the second scenario. Since there was
a gag order - you can bet there are technical issues we haven't even
heard about yet. Ibiquity - you can stick a fork in them, they are
DONE. At some point, the people in the company with the most to gain
financially are going to sell their stock and retire somewhere exotic,
out of reach of US law. Their legacy? Broadcast bands in shambles,
radio manufacturers with warehouses full of unsold HD radios, stations
with an orphan system that is unsupported. Listeners with buzzing in
their ears. But - it will have made a few people very rich.
Shouldn't we all be happy about that?!

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Sure does - don't be surprised ! Look who's running the show at
iNiquity !

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On Aug 29, 11:30 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
"Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers"

This was documented in another thread. I've encountered this before
in my career. Usually - it was to protect some "golden boy" - maybe
the boss's nephew or something. Anybody daring to demonstrate that
golden boy was incompetant was ushered out the door in short order.
Or - when golden boy inevitably goofed up - the one who pointed out
his mistakes was deemed the one to blame.

Other times, a gag order is because there is a lot of money to be made
- by somebody powerful. Everybody knows the project will fail, but
they are told to keep quiet until somebody has cashed in their stock
options and left. I have heard of cases where physical harm was
implied to anybody who spoke out too soon.

HD radio has all the earmarks of the second scenario. Since there was
a gag order - you can bet there are technical issues we haven't even
heard about yet. Ibiquity - you can stick a fork in them, they are
DONE. At some point, the people in the company with the most to gain
financially are going to sell their stock and retire somewhere exotic,
out of reach of US law. Their legacy? Broadcast bands in shambles,
radio manufacturers with warehouses full of unsold HD radios, stations
with an orphan system that is unsupported. Listeners with buzzing in
their ears. But - it will have made a few people very rich.
Shouldn't we all be happy about that?!

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index....c,79682.0.html

Well, here are the "other" technical issues:

HD/IBOC Spectral-Regrowth and Other Issues

"NPR story on HD radio startup"

"Problems with the system that pervade the entire HD/IBOC data and
codec from beginning to end, all the way to the signal on the air
persist. The codec, by today's standards, is grossly inferior on FM
and literally unspeakable on AM (gee, I had no idea). Since they're
hardwired into the receivers, they won't be changed anytime soon, if
ever."

"But it goes beyond that. There were bad choices of network layer such
that reliability is compromised. The code used in exciters has a
severe memory leak, so the exciters crash routinely. The receivers can
be locked up solid by malformed packets, requiring a power cycle to
restore operation. The list goes on and on and on."

"Will any of this get fixed? Probably not, since all the money right
now is going to promotion, not to technical bug fixes. This is a
system that has been in development for a decade and a half, and it
still has problems from beginning to end that range from audio
encoding, through the transport layers, to the encoding, and now, with
the spectral regrowth problems, to the broadcast bands themselves; you
know...that which is supposed to be serving the public. I would love
to be implementing digital radio. But this is garbage."

-- John Higdon +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


An anti-HD site is probably less authoritative than the engineering
department down the hall from me.

Those guys? They're probably still trying to put together their Erector
Set.


The engineers who maintain KSCA (#1 in LA), KLVE (#3 and #2 in 25-54),
KRCD/KRCV (#6 25-54) and KTNQ as well as the 12 station Recuerdo network and
the 30 station Piolin en la Mañana network are as good as any I have worked
with anywhere... it's a 7-person engineering staff with broadcast experience
approaching 200 total years.

Idiots Broadcasting On Crack (IBOC)

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David Frackelton Gleason, the pervert who still poses as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...
Actually, you've pretty well demonstrated that just about anything
would be more authoritative than the engineering dept. down the hall
from you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, I am a C++ softare engineer, and Dept. of Defense
contractor, working on the next generation of Littorial Combat ships
and we have a group of about 50 highly-qualified software end systems
engineers. Anything else ?


And how many years of radio broadcast experience? I see about zero
relevance.

Zero? That would be the number of radio stations you've axually owned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch. You also claim to be
Hispanic.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, the pervert who still poses as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...
Actually, you've pretty well demonstrated that just about anything
would be more authoritative than the engineering dept. down the hall
from you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, I am a C++ softare engineer, and Dept. of Defense
contractor, working on the next generation of Littorial Combat ships
and we have a group of about 50 highly-qualified software end systems
engineers. Anything else ?


And how many years of radio broadcast experience? I see about zero
relevance.

Zero? That would be the number of radio stations you've axually owned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch.

And I did... 12 on the air, and permits for nearly a dozen more.

Which you can verify by checking with noted AM Dxers of the time, some of
whom actually visitied my stations like John Hogerheid of Michigan, Larry
Godwin, now of Montana and then of West Texas and an IRCA board member. Or
Kermit Geary, of PA, who was one of many DXers who verified reception of
HRCM1 or HCFV1 when I put them on split frequencies to conduct DX tests
(which were published in the bulletins of the IRCA and NRC). Or John
Callarman, then of Mt. Vernon, IL, and now a respected Mexican DX expert in
the NRC. Or Ben Dangerfield of PA who also DXed and verified both of those
AMs. Or Larry Cervone, not a DXer, but then head of Gates Radio, and later
BE, now retired in Quincy, IL. Or Fabricio Cifuentes, then an announcer of
HCRM1 and now an announcer on various Spanish stations in Atlanta, GA.... if
you check these out, I can give you a few hundred more, starting with the
present mayor of Guaquil, Jaime Nebot Velasco, my partner in one station. Or
Edward Seaton, now President of Seaton Newspapers, Manhattan, KS, who was a
Peace Corps volunteer in Ecuador and witness my first few stations go on the
air as a family friend....

You also claim to be
Hispanic.

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, the pervert who still poses as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...
Actually, you've pretty well demonstrated that just about anything
would be more authoritative than the engineering dept. down the hall
from you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, I am a C++ softare engineer, and Dept. of Defense
contractor, working on the next generation of Littorial Combat ships
and we have a group of about 50 highly-qualified software end systems
engineers. Anything else ?


And how many years of radio broadcast experience? I see about zero
relevance.

Zero? That would be the number of radio stations you've axually owned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch.

And I did... 12 on the air, and permits for nearly a dozen more.

Which you can verify by checking with noted AM Dxers of the time, some of
whom actually visitied my stations like John Hogerheid of Michigan, Larry
Godwin, now of Montana and then of West Texas and an IRCA board member. Or
Kermit Geary, of PA, who was one of many DXers who verified reception of
HRCM1 or HCFV1 when I put them on split frequencies to conduct DX tests
(which were published in the bulletins of the IRCA and NRC). Or John
Callarman, then of Mt. Vernon, IL, and now a respected Mexican DX expert in
the NRC. Or Ben Dangerfield of PA who also DXed and verified both of those
AMs. Or Larry Cervone, not a DXer, but then head of Gates Radio, and later
BE, now retired in Quincy, IL. Or Fabricio Cifuentes, then an announcer of
HCRM1 and now an announcer on various Spanish stations in Atlanta, GA.... if
you check these out, I can give you a few hundred more, starting with the
present mayor of Guaquil, Jaime Nebot Velasco, my partner in one station. Or
Edward Seaton, now President of Seaton Newspapers, Manhattan, KS, who was a
Peace Corps volunteer in Ecuador and witness my first few stations go on the
air as a family friend....

You also claim to be
Hispanic.

None were in your name... get over it!

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

David "I checked a box on the Census Form and now I can pose as 'Eduardo',
wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, the pervert who still poses as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...
Actually, you've pretty well demonstrated that just about anything
would be more authoritative than the engineering dept. down the hall
from you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, I am a C++ softare engineer, and Dept. of Defense
contractor, working on the next generation of Littorial Combat ships
and we have a group of about 50 highly-qualified software end systems
engineers. Anything else ?


And how many years of radio broadcast experience? I see about zero
relevance.

Zero? That would be the number of radio stations you've axually owned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch.

And I did... 12 on the air, and permits for nearly a dozen more.

Which you can verify by checking with noted AM Dxers of the time, some of
whom actually visitied my stations like John Hogerheid of Michigan, Larry
Godwin, now of Montana and then of West Texas and an IRCA board member. Or
Kermit Geary, of PA, who was one of many DXers who verified reception of
HRCM1 or HCFV1 when I put them on split frequencies to conduct DX tests
(which were published in the bulletins of the IRCA and NRC). Or John
Callarman, then of Mt. Vernon, IL, and now a respected Mexican DX expert in
the NRC. Or Ben Dangerfield of PA who also DXed and verified both of those
AMs. Or Larry Cervone, not a DXer, but then head of Gates Radio, and later
BE, now retired in Quincy, IL. Or Fabricio Cifuentes, then an announcer of
HCRM1 and now an announcer on various Spanish stations in Atlanta, GA.... if
you check these out, I can give you a few hundred more, starting with the
present mayor of Guaquil...

Most of us spell it "Guayaquil", however, you fake Hispanics might spell it
differently.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Don't do business with the Huntington Investment Company.

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch.

And I did... 12 on the air, and permits for nearly a dozen more.

Which you can verify by checking with noted AM Dxers of the time, some of
whom actually visitied my stations like John Hogerheid of Michigan,
Larry
Godwin, now of Montana and then of West Texas and an IRCA board member.
Or
Kermit Geary, of PA, who was one of many DXers who verified reception of
HRCM1 or HCFV1 when I put them on split frequencies to conduct DX tests
(which were published in the bulletins of the IRCA and NRC). Or John
Callarman, then of Mt. Vernon, IL, and now a respected Mexican DX expert
in
the NRC. Or Ben Dangerfield of PA who also DXed and verified both of
those
AMs. Or Larry Cervone, not a DXer, but then head of Gates Radio, and
later
BE, now retired in Quincy, IL. Or Fabricio Cifuentes, then an announcer
of
HCRM1 and now an announcer on various Spanish stations in Atlanta, GA....
if
you check these out, I can give you a few hundred more, starting with the
present mayor of Guaquil, Jaime Nebot Velasco, my partner in one station.
Or
Edward Seaton, now President of Seaton Newspapers, Manhattan, KS, who was
a
Peace Corps volunteer in Ecuador and witness my first few stations go on
the
air as a family friend....

You also claim to be
Hispanic.

None were in your name... get over it!

In the US, less than 100 of the stations that are really sole
proprietorships (out of thousands) are licensed in an individual's name...
all the rest are licensed to corporations that are totally owned by one
person or a person and his or her family (community property, etc.). Nobody
but you would expect someone to be such a fool as to own a license directly,
exposing the individual to personal responsibility that could be shielded
via incorporating.

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

David "I checked a box on the Census Form and now I can pose as 'Eduardo',
wrote:


Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know you claim to have owned a bunch.

And I did... 12 on the air, and permits for nearly a dozen more.

Which you can verify by checking with noted AM Dxers of the time, some of
whom actually visitied my stations like John Hogerheid of Michigan,
Larry
Godwin, now of Montana and then of West Texas and an IRCA board member.
Or
Kermit Geary, of PA, who was one of many DXers who verified reception of
HRCM1 or HCFV1 when I put them on split frequencies to conduct DX tests
(which were published in the bulletins of the IRCA and NRC). Or John
Callarman, then of Mt. Vernon, IL, and now a respected Mexican DX expert
in
the NRC. Or Ben Dangerfield of PA who also DXed and verified both of
those
AMs. Or Larry Cervone, not a DXer, but then head of Gates Radio, and
later
BE, now retired in Quincy, IL. Or Fabricio Cifuentes, then an announcer
of
HCRM1 and now an announcer on various Spanish stations in Atlanta, GA....
if
you check these out, I can give you a few hundred more, starting with the
present mayor of Guaquil, Jaime Nebot Velasco, my partner in one station.
Or
Edward Seaton, now President of Seaton Newspapers, Manhattan, KS, who was
a
Peace Corps volunteer in Ecuador and witness my first few stations go on
the
air as a family friend....

You also claim to be
Hispanic.

None were in your name... get over it!

In the US, less than 100 of the stations that are really sole
proprietorships (out of thousands) are licensed in an individual's name...
all the rest are licensed to corporations that are totally owned by one
person or a person and his or her family (community property, etc.). Nobody
but you would expect someone to be such a fool as to own a license directly,
exposing the individual to personal responsibility that could be shielded
via incorporating.

Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a single radio
station.

None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.

Get over it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...

could be shielded
via incorporating.

Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a single
radio
station.

None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.

Some highly noted and respected DXers of the 60's actually saw the stations,
and many more DXed them.

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David "I checked a box on the Census Form, now I can lie my ass off as
'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

could be shielded
via incorporating.

Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a single
radio
station.

None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.

Some highly noted and respected DXers of the 60's actually saw the stations,
and many more DXed them.

"Seeing a station" and "DXing a station" does not necessarily equate to said
stations being "owned" by you, fibber boy!

Now go dream another one up.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David "I checked a box on the Census Form, now I can lie my ass off as
'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

could be shielded
via incorporating.

Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a
single
radio
station.

None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.

Some highly noted and respected DXers of the 60's actually saw the
stations,
and many more DXed them.

"Seeing a station" and "DXing a station" does not necessarily equate to
said
stations being "owned" by you, fibber boy!

Actually, when someone sees a station, and finds that all the employees
answer to one person, that there is only one manager's office which that
same person occupies, etc., it is pretty easy to conclude who owned it.

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David, still fabricating outlandish stories as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David "I checked a box on the Census Form, now I can lie my ass off as
'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

could be shielded
via incorporating.

Nobody but you would expect us to believe you've ever owned even a
single
radio
station.

None were in your name, and most likely none ever will be.

Some highly noted and respected DXers of the 60's actually saw the
stations,
and many more DXed them.

"Seeing a station" and "DXing a station" does not necessarily equate to
said
stations being "owned" by you, fibber boy!

Actually, when someone sees a station, and finds that all the employees
answer to one person, that there is only one manager's office which that
same person occupies, etc., it is pretty easy to conclude who owned it.

So you say. Allow me to repeat: none of the stations were in your name.

Please, dream up another shtick.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So you say. Allow me to repeat: none of the stations were in your name.

At least you give me credit for having reasonable business sense even at age
17 when I incorporated Radio Musical, Cía. Ltda as the sole shareholder. A
limited responsibility corporation shields a business owner from personal
liability in matters of the business. I don't know any station owners who
would put a license in their own name.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.

Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a receivable
and a listenable signal.

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David "I can embellish better than anyone since I adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick",
wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So you say. Allow me to repeat: none of the stations were in your name.

At least you give me credit for having reasonable business sense even at age
17 when I incorporated Radio Musical, Cía. Ltda as the sole shareholder.

You are mistaken, oh fake one, I gave you credit for nothing.

A
limited responsibility corporation shields a business owner from personal
liability in matters of the business. I don't know any station owners who
would put a license in their own name.

I know few folks who insist on telling tales as you do!

LMFAO at the retarded fake Hispanic.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David "I can't help it, I'm a fake Hispanic and I have no connection with reality
whatsoever, so I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.

Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a receivable
and a listenable signal.

You're amusing since you can't distinguish fact from fantasy!

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.

Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a receivable
and a listenable signal.

Say, Edweena, could you possibly fill in the folks here on that bathroom tapping
code? Many might be familiar with Morse and some of its variations, but this one
seems to be fairly new.

And, did you ever meet Larry?

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
..
.

The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.

Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a
receivable and a listenable signal.

Say, Edweena, could you possibly fill in the folks here on that
bathroom tapping code? Many might be familiar with Morse and some of
its variations, but this one seems to be fairly new.

And, did you ever meet Larry?

Edweena does not know fact from fiction. In his mind they are one in
the same. Either way I'm sure he enjoyed the encounter.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.

Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a
receivable
and a listenable signal.

Say, Edweena, could you possibly fill in the folks here on that bathroom
tapping
code? Many might be familiar with Morse and some of its variations, but
this one
seems to be fairly new.

I really find it strange that once you run out of ethnic insults (Canadians,
Hispanics, etc.) you focus in on all things anal better than a paparazzi
with a telephoto lens. I suppose this lends support to the general belief
that the greatest homophobes are closeted gays. Al que le caiga el sayo, que
se lo ponga.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
..
.

The only thing Eduardo knows how to engineer is BS.

Amusing coming from someone who never could distinguish between a
receivable and a listenable signal.

Say, Edweena, could you possibly fill in the folks here on that
bathroom tapping code? Many might be familiar with Morse and some of
its variations, but this one seems to be fairly new.

And, did you ever meet Larry?

Edweena does not know fact from fiction. In his mind they are one in
the same. Either way I'm sure he enjoyed the encounter.


You and dxAss make a nice couple. Neither of you is able to distinguish real
world radio listening from DX and both believe the bearer of sad tidings...
is crazy.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.

The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
very few of these stations.

The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
non-existent.

When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
(because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.

DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
seems absurd.

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
(which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.

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David "I checked that box on the Census Form, but this gig posing as 'Eduardo'
just isn't working for me", wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.

The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
very few of these stations.

The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
non-existent.

When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
(because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.

DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
seems absurd.

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
(which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.

Speaking of viability... you just aren't making it as a Hispanic, but you're
doing well as a IBOC/HD shill.

You may now return to tapping your feet...

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.

The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
very few of these stations.

The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
non-existent.

When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
(because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.

DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
seems absurd.

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
(which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.

Oh yeah, you are the MASTER of inventing groundless claims and LIES!

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On Sep 2, 10:20?am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.

The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
very few of these stations.

The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
non-existent.

When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
(because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.

DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
seems absurd.

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
(which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.

"The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will
be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250
stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day
and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There
are
very few of these stations."

And, a number of AM-HD's are turing off the hash generators (to
include WSB), due to listener complaints. At any rate, interest in HD
Radio has reminded flat since the first HD radio was sold January 2004
and stations started broadcsating in at least 2002:

http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...ains-flat.html

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Bart Bailey wrote:

In t posted
on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:20:06 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals...

The "opportunity" to lose the two adjacent slots of any HD blasters for
potential reception of DX signals, is like putting outriggers on either
side of your vehicle to stabilize the load, and the subsequent effect on
traffic carrying capacity of any roadway.
I don't understand why KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 feel a need to go HD when
they're both AM Talkers. Maybe it's so psychological voice stress
analyzers can better detect the constant stream of lies from the right
wing hosts?

Put one of those analyzers on NPR or AirAmerica and they fry within minutes.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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On Sep 2, 10:20 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

Umm...I think this was his point.


If DXers to some extent do not want to believe the current reality of MW
radio in the US and the world because it changes the expectations for DX
reception, that is not the fault of the messenger.

Don't accuse DXers of not having a grip on reality. You're the one
putting bandaids on headless corpses.


The simple facts are that HD is being widely deployed, and on AM will be on
most of the viable AMs in the top 100 markets... about 200 to 250 stations.
"Viable" is defined by industry authorities like BIA as having a day and
night signal that covers the entire metro with a usable signal. There are
very few of these stations.

This would be nice if it were relevant to anything.


The DXer considers a station based on being able to receive it. An average
listener only tunes in very good signals... ones that are pretty much
impervious to interference and other distractions. In metros, that means a
signal of about 10 mv/m is needed to get any audience, and in some metros,
over 12 mv/m and up to 15 mv/m are needed to get listenership... all this is
proven by extensive studies of the listening locations of US radio stations
for at-home and at-work listening in Arbitron. The conclusion is very
obvious: stations that sacrifice any potential out-of-metro listening to go
HD are really sacrificing nothing, as such listenership is close to
non-existent.

This isn't relevant to anything.


When we get to skywave reception, and look at the ratings in every county of
the US, there is not enough skywave listening for stations to show up in the
ratings on this night-signal skip anywhere. AM listening is less than 20% of
all radio listening, and AM listening is even a lower percentage at night
(because most signal areas contract). In general, night radio listening is
about 25% of daytime levels, so low-use AM and general listening at night
make the interest in reaching outside one's own market just about zero.

Not relevant.


DXing as a hobby depends on having stations to DX. If AM is dying to begin
with (75% of listeners are over 55, the rest are approaching that age where
no advertiser will tread), and few AMs actually can compete with FM and new
media (based on having a decent enough signal), objecting to a plan that
might just help AM... and is the only idea around that might do this...
seems absurd.


Not relevant.

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals... but many are busy
criticising HD... to the extent that one poster fabricated the "gag order"
(which does not exist) out of old development-era nondisclosure agreements.
Now that certainly enhances on the DX side of the argument the credibility
you so desparately seem to value; having failed to invalidate HD with the
truth, totally groundless claims are now being invented and the lie and the
out of context quote are the stock in trade of these posters.

If MW is indeed dying, HD will only hasten its demise. So, why should
anyone care about DXing HD signals?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

Snip

You skipped a few steps.

1. First you have to have a grip on reality in order to ascertain the
facts. You desperately need to get a grip.

2. Then you determine what is relevant. You don't seem to have that
ability.

3. Then if you are going to communicate your thinking on the subject you
have to consider your audience. You either can't or won't do this either.

You are a waste of time to read in this news group.

Based on your posting behavior I'm sure knowing you would not be a
pleasure.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Sep 2, 11:11 am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In t posted
on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:20:06 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals...

The "opportunity" to lose the two adjacent slots of any HD blasters for
potential reception of DX signals, is like putting outriggers on either
side of your vehicle to stabilize the load, and the subsequent effect on
traffic carrying capacity of any roadway.
I don't understand why KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 feel a need to go HD when
they're both AM Talkers. Maybe it's so psychological voice stress
analyzers can better detect the constant stream of lies from the right
wing hosts?

--

Bart

BB,

CAUSE - They Know that they will be required to use
a Second HD Audio Channel for Liberal Talk Radio;
as WoMandated by President Hillary {Radio} Clinton
and the Democrat Majority in the Senate and House.

Except in California where all AM/MW Talk Radio
Stations will be required to have a Second HD Audio
Channel broadcasting in Espanol.

it's a future fact jack ~ RHF

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On Sep 2, 2:35 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

Snip

You skipped a few steps.

1. First you have to have a grip on reality in order to ascertain the
facts. You desperately need to get a grip.

2. Then you determine what is relevant. You don't seem to have that
ability.

3. Then if you are going to communicate your thinking on the subject you
have to consider your audience. You either can't or won't do this either.

You are a waste of time to read in this news group.


- Based on your posting behavior I'm sure
- knowing you would not be a pleasure.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon,

Are 'we' Looking into a Mirror
and Talking to 'ourselves' Again ?

now be nice to everyone and
go an enjoy your radios ~ RHF

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"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on Sun, 2
Sep 2007 17:26:54 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

To someone like you, who buys a $5 k receiver and says "KOGO has a
listenable signal in Ventura County" without realizing how listeners, not
DXers, listen, I am sure that is a fact.

How do listeners of an AM talker listen,

To start, extensive studies of where ratings listening takes place show that
very little listening to AM stations in metro areas takes placce outside of
the 10 mv/m contour. This type of analysis is possible because every ratings
participant fills in "where" listening takes place for every incident of
listening. Such data is available by ZIP code for at home and at work
listening in every ratings diary and can be plotted against coverage
contours quite easily.

In some metros, like LA, there is essentially no listening in the metro
outside of the 15 miv/m contours of the local stations. because such a "big"
signal is needed to overcome man-made interference.

patiently awaiting the next barrage of commercial 'messages' so their HD
will render full fidelity, or more likely trying to ignore commercials,
fidelity or not?

Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else. And in the areas wehre the new electronic Portable People
Meter is in yuse shows listeners are less likely to tune out an AM over
commercials than over a boring subject or a bad phone call, just as a bad
song will do it much faster on FM that a commercial break.

...and I certainly didn't drop 5 kilobucks on any single receiver

I believe I was addressing Mr. Telamon, who mentions incessantly having a
TenTec 340, which is around that price.

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"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on Sun, 2
Sep 2007 22:53:24 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else.

Then what's the 'need' for HD enhancements?

People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio.

Whether this is due to current receivers or to NRSC is a moot point... they
will not listne.

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.

Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on Sun, 2
Sep 2007 22:53:24 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else.

Then what's the 'need' for HD enhancements?

People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio.

Whether this is due to current receivers or to NRSC is a moot point... they
will not listne.

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.


And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.


Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.

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"Doodler" wrote in message
ps.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.


And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.

Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.

Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.

All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.

All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.



Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.


The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
AM.

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David "I picked up this 'Eduardo' shtick so I could tap my feet in the bathroom
stall to a salsa beat", wrote:

"Doodler" wrote in message
ps.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.


And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.

Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.

Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.

All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.

All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.



Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.


The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
AM.

Shill!

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On Sep 3, 11:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Doodler" wrote in message

ps.com...







David Eduardo wrote:

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.

And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.

Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.

Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.

All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.

All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.



Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.

The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
AM.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.

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"Steve" wrote in message
ps.com...

Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.


Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune
to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
consequence.

Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to
move to, and are slowly losing revenue.

Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will
be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very
niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of
course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over
the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among
under-55s via the improved quality.

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.

Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune
to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
consequence.

Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to
move to, and are slowly losing revenue.

Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will
be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very
niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of
course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over
the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among
under-55s via the improved quality.

Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away
their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you
quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're
fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago.