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Steve September 4th 07 05:10 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
On Sep 4, 9:01 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...





David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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I had an XM Eno (it went the way of the dumpster) and in the Hassayampa
area of Prescott, there is no signal anywhere. I am pretty convinced at
this point that the portables need to be near terrestrial repeaters and
can't really see the satellites.
Well, that simply isn't true. Now, they do often need an external
antenna...the built-in can be pretty limited. But if you go into the
menu you can find the antenna aiming page...it will tell you if you're
listening to a repeater or a satellite. I get direct satellite reception
all over the backwater and backwoods locations I travel. And my
colleagues do the same.


The Eno is market to be worn on a wristband, and is positioned as not
needing an antena. I tried an antena that had a wire up the sleve and
clipped to my helmet, and it helped only slightly... the listening was
frequenly plagued by dropouts.
I even get reception, indoors, on a MyFi in White Lake, Wisconsin.
Where the nearest repeater is more than 5 hours away.


In LA, away from mountains, it worked. Of course, this is where there are
several dozen terrestrial repeaters.
Sounds like either you got a bad receiver, or you got a bad external
antenna. That does happen. I had a bad portable antenna out of the box.
Once replaced...never a problem. I can mow the lawn listening to Fine
Tuning, without so much as a glitch in the North Woods of Wisconsin.


Considering the radio is sold as a wrist or belt strap one, for jogging,
biking or such, not much of an exterior antenna is possible... the radio
is the size of an iPod.


I'd verify performance with another radio. Sounds like you have a dud.


XM pretty much confirmed when I cancelled. They even offered to give me a
different radio.and said that "some areas are not suitable for an "ultra"
portable device... they also offered a free year subscription. I got the
idea this was not a new issue with them.



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IBOCcrock September 4th 07 06:09 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
On Sep 4, 12:18 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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I didn't ask you about your fake imagined history that you shoe horn in
at every opportunity.


Call Bob DuTriel, the associate of Ron Rackley (the formost authority on
directional AM antennas in the US) in Florida and ask about me. I assisted
Bob while he rebuilt the WQII directional when I decided to reengineer the
station.



The minimum contour for FM stations to get significant listening is
the 64 dbu, roughly 1.5 mv/m. For AM in metros, it is about 10 mv/m.
Both AM and FM are measurements of the strength of the EMF from a
transmitter at some point of distance from it dBu used to be called
dBv but got confused with dBV, and was changed. It's a decibel
measurement of voltage.... as my equivalency shows.


dBuV is not the same thing as dBV. Care to try again.


I said that, historically, the tem was changed from dBv to dBu because folks
were confusing dBv and dBV... that was the origin of the "u" in dBu... which
bagan with a lower case "v."



While you are at it explain how 1.5 mV/m equates to either 64dBuV or
64dBV.


Equivalent field strength expressed in with a different scale. Even my
speedometer has two different scales, and they have equivalents all the way
along, just as a metric tape and a yardstick do.



My radio needs 10V/m to receive a station decently? My God no wonder you
didn't believe my posts on the signal strength of local stations. I'm
glad we finally figured that out.


I don't care what your $5 thousand dollar radio needs.

The fact is that after examining thousands and thousands of diary mentions
for at home and at work by ZIP code, it has been found in several different
studies that 80% of all FM listening takes place in the 70 dBu contour and
15% to 17% more takes place between the 70 and the 64 dBu contours. There is
nearly no listening outside the 64 dBu contour. So, most of us actually
running radio stations or involved in programming know that there is pretty
much no potential for listener growth outside the 64 dBu contour as it is
apparent from empirical evidence across a variety of markets and ratings
periods that listeners do not listen to relatively weak signals.

The same studies, on AM, showed that in and in the environs of the Top 100
metros, there is pretty much no listening outside the 10 mv/m contour. This
corresponds with more anecdotal evidence that shows that below 10 mv/m the
signals are so subject to man-made interference from everything from
computers to traffic light controllers that they are annoying to listen to.
In some metros the minimum level seems to match neatly the 15 mv/m contour
or points in between, probably indicating greater noise levels in the market
in general.

Again, it is not about whether a station can be received. It is about
whether listeners, in any significant quantity, are able to enjoyably listen
to a station. And it has been proven that a pretty intense signal is
necessary for a station to get audience in the rated metro areas (where
about 75% of the US population lives)


"HD Radio Effort Undermined by Weak Tuners in Expensive Radios"

"Each of the HD radios had their external antennas leads connected and
extended out, while my own radios worked off of their internal leads.
I started with the FM band, so the Zenith was not part of this test.
WCBS-FM came in clear as a bell on my car radio. Second best was the
Sony shower radio, which picked the station up well. The results were
less than stellar for the three HD radios. Not only were the results
worse than the Sony, none of them could tap into an HD signal at
ground level."

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/7002/hd-radio2.html

See folks, Eduardo doesn't let himself get upset with attempts at
insults - I could even say that his ******* Mother is a whore, that
the best part of him ran down his whoring Mother's legs, that his
Father sexually abused him while his Mother watched, that Eduardo used
to **** his slutty sister while his ******* parents gave instructions,
that IBOC is a crock, that spicks are nothing but lazy-ass mother
****ers waiting for handouts, that the US Government is shortly going
to open its boarders to all those greazy, smelly Mexican truck
drivers, that his wife left him for another woman, that his wife left
him for his trolling 24/7, and that his wife stopped ****ing him years
ago !

See, Eduardo doesn't ca

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[email protected] September 4th 07 08:28 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
What's that radio phonograph newsgroup called? Maybe I ought to get over
there and tell them little sissy girls what a BUNCH of little girls they
Really ARE!!!!!
cuhulin


[email protected] September 4th 07 08:54 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
Tighten up.Ventura isn't the real name of that California town anyway.
Tell her I Love her.
cuhulin


charlie September 4th 07 09:04 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
David Eduardo wrote:
SNIP

As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But
radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.



Is that really true? My 15 year old has the choice of radio (AM &
FM), Cds, Internet streams and his MP3 player. He hardly ever
listens (or has on) the radio, he streams when he is at the
computer, plays CDs when he is relaxing and uses his mp3 player when
he is on the move. I checked and he reports that his mates have
similar listening habits. I thinks it's more likely that, whatever
format, the next generation of kids won't bother with radios - it'll
just be something that comes with a car if they have one.

As someone said earlier, the mainstream broadcasters are fighting a
battle in a war that is over. Like the record companies they have
not got their heads around the listening choices that we have today.

As to the form of modulation that you are obsessed by it is the most
technically ridiculous concept ever dreamed up. No decent RF
engineer would have come up with this load of crock unless there was
a bunch of suits looking over his shoulders. Anyways, we in the UK
have not been so silly as to put our digital radio on the Medium Wave.


Charlie.

--
M0WYM
www.radiowymsey.org

RHF September 4th 07 09:12 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
On Sep 4, 9:10 am, Steve wrote:
On Sep 4, 9:01 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...


David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
I had an XM Eno (it went the way of the dumpster) and in the Hassayampa
area of Prescott, there is no signal anywhere. I am pretty convinced at
this point that the portables need to be near terrestrial repeaters and
can't really see the satellites.
Well, that simply isn't true. Now, they do often need an external
antenna...the built-in can be pretty limited. But if you go into the
menu you can find the antenna aiming page...it will tell you if you're
listening to a repeater or a satellite. I get direct satellite reception
all over the backwater and backwoods locations I travel. And my
colleagues do the same.


The Eno is market to be worn on a wristband, and is positioned as not
needing an antena. I tried an antena that had a wire up the sleve and
clipped to my helmet, and it helped only slightly... the listening was
frequenly plagued by dropouts.
I even get reception, indoors, on a MyFi in White Lake, Wisconsin.
Where the nearest repeater is more than 5 hours away.


In LA, away from mountains, it worked. Of course, this is where there are
several dozen terrestrial repeaters.
Sounds like either you got a bad receiver, or you got a bad external
antenna. That does happen. I had a bad portable antenna out of the box.
Once replaced...never a problem. I can mow the lawn listening to Fine
Tuning, without so much as a glitch in the North Woods of Wisconsin.


Considering the radio is sold as a wrist or belt strap one, for jogging,
biking or such, not much of an exterior antenna is possible... the radio
is the size of an iPod.


I'd verify performance with another radio. Sounds like you have a dud.


XM pretty much confirmed when I cancelled. They even offered to give me a
different radio.and said that "some areas are not suitable for an "ultra"
portable device... they also offered a free year subscription. I got the
idea this was not a new issue with them.


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- Ibiquity = Ubiquitous Iniquity-

The iBiquity of it all . . . 262 Messages to Date
and one might ask : What Gag Order ?

all i see is the blinking blue light ~ RHF
{ life beyind the 10mv/m contour }

RHF September 4th 07 09:19 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
On Sep 3, 9:31 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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That would only be a couple of blocks around the 50K station antenna
with Eduardo's 10V/meter contour. Whatever that means.



- You don't know what a 10 mv/m contour is?

DE - According to you :

The People that Count live with-in the 10mv/m Contour.

The People that Do Not Count live out-side the 10mv/m Contour.
- - - DXers being the a significant percentage
of the People that Do Not Count.

~ RHF

D Peter Maus September 4th 07 09:43 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
I had an XM Eno (it went the way of the dumpster) and in the Hassayampa
area of Prescott, there is no signal anywhere. I am pretty convinced at
this point that the portables need to be near terrestrial repeaters and
can't really see the satellites.
Well, that simply isn't true. Now, they do often need an external
antenna...the built-in can be pretty limited. But if you go into the
menu you can find the antenna aiming page...it will tell you if you're
listening to a repeater or a satellite. I get direct satellite reception
all over the backwater and backwoods locations I travel. And my
colleagues do the same.
The Eno is market to be worn on a wristband, and is positioned as not
needing an antena. I tried an antena that had a wire up the sleve and
clipped to my helmet, and it helped only slightly... the listening was
frequenly plagued by dropouts.
I even get reception, indoors, on a MyFi in White Lake, Wisconsin.
Where the nearest repeater is more than 5 hours away.
In LA, away from mountains, it worked. Of course, this is where there are
several dozen terrestrial repeaters.
Sounds like either you got a bad receiver, or you got a bad external
antenna. That does happen. I had a bad portable antenna out of the box.
Once replaced...never a problem. I can mow the lawn listening to Fine
Tuning, without so much as a glitch in the North Woods of Wisconsin.
Considering the radio is sold as a wrist or belt strap one, for jogging,
biking or such, not much of an exterior antenna is possible... the radio
is the size of an iPod.

I'd verify performance with another radio. Sounds like you have a dud.


XM pretty much confirmed when I cancelled. They even offered to give me a
different radio.and said that "some areas are not suitable for an "ultra"
portable device... they also offered a free year subscription. I got the
idea this was not a new issue with them.


So, you didn't take them up on their offer with a different radio?







[email protected] September 4th 07 09:59 PM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 
Many years ago, Jackson,Mississippi was called Le Fluers Bluff.Don't
blame that frog name on me.
cuhulin


David Eduardo[_4_] September 5th 07 05:24 AM

Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
 

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...

See, Eduardo doesn't ca


No, "Eduardo" just ran out of troll food.




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