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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
How many AM DX'ers are there? How many nighttime AM listeners are there? Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available from Arbitron or the radio station in question. Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm looking for a reliable source. The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations. |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:54:21 -0700, Roadie wrote:
On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote: How many AM DX'ers are there? How many nighttime AM listeners are there? Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available from Arbitron or the radio station in question. Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm looking for a reliable source. The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations. Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at 7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50 kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger. |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
On Oct 1, 10:00 am, David wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:54:21 -0700, Roadie wrote: On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote: How many AM DX'ers are there? How many nighttime AM listeners are there? Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available from Arbitron or the radio station in question. Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm looking for a reliable source. The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations. Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at 7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50 kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Operating in the public interest is fine, but targeting an audience hundreds of miles away that an advertiser would have little hope of selling his product to makes no business sense at all. And radio stations are businesses that attempt to be profitable. |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
"Roadie" wrote in message ps.com... Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at 7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50 kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Operating in the public interest is fine, but targeting an audience hundreds of miles away that an advertiser would have little hope of selling his product to makes no business sense at all. And radio stations are businesses that attempt to be profitable. This is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP, Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long been such spots (as has network radio always been). |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
Brenda Ann wrote: [National AM] is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP, Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long been such spots (as has network radio). Advertisers are not interested in anybody older than 35. Their proclaimed reason: People over 35 are "set in their ways" and no amount of advertising is going to make them switch brands. For example, if you've used Crest for the last twenty years, no number of ads is going to make you switch to Colgate. BUT: The young teens and adults are "undecided". They have no brand loyalty, and those are the people advertisers want to target. 35 and under. Thus national AM with its over 45 crowd is extremely UNattractive to advertisers. |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
On Oct 1, 10:41 am, wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: [National AM] is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP, Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long been such spots (as has network radio). Advertisers are not interested in anybody older than 35. Their proclaimed reason: People over 35 are "set in their ways" and no amount of advertising is going to make them switch brands. For example, if you've used Crest for the last twenty years, no number of ads is going to make you switch to Colgate. BUT: The young teens and adults are "undecided". They have no brand loyalty, and those are the people advertisers want to target. 35 and under. Thus national AM with its over 45 crowd is extremely UNattractive to advertisers. Dang Gee Golly Wally ! Instead of Calibrating my 21st Anniversary of my 39th Birthday - I must be Calibrating my 39th Anniversary of my 21st Birthday -cause- I change products all the time based on what's 'new' and 'improved'. old and tired and 'feeling' real un-attractive right now ~ RHF |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
wrote in message ups.com... Brenda Ann wrote: [National AM] is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP, Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long been such spots (as has network radio). Advertisers are not interested in anybody older than 35. Actually, 35-to-54 is a key if not total part of most campaigns. Nearly all ad agency business is bought against 18-54 or some subset, like Assimilated Hispanic Women between 25 and 44. |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
On Oct 1, 11:20 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Brenda Ann wrote: [National AM] is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP, Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long been such spots (as has network radio). Advertisers are not interested in anybody older than 35. Actually, 35-to-54 is a key if not total part of most campaigns. Nearly all ad agency business is bought against 18-54 or some subset, - like Assimilated Hispanic Women between 25 and 44. d'Eduardo - "Assimilated Hispanic Women" Have the BORG been 'assimilating' Hispanic Women and making them part of the All-America 'Collective' ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_(Star_Trek) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_%2...onal_aliens%29 we are 'iboc' - resistance-is-futile ~ RHF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_is_futile we control the analog and the digital 'hd' radio signal - our digital noise artifacts are everywhere . . . |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Roadie" wrote in message ps.com... Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at 7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50 kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Operating in the public interest is fine, but targeting an audience hundreds of miles away that an advertiser would have little hope of selling his product to makes no business sense at all. And radio stations are businesses that attempt to be profitable. This is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP, Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long been such spots (as has network radio always been). That is just not how radio is sold. Local radio is sold for the local metro, and you get no greater rate because you have more extensive coverage. The accounts you mention don't buy night radio, anyway. Most of them do not buy the ages that AM radio attracts. One of them does not buy radio at all. Networks are a device to collect in one buy stations in many markets, and the audience estimates are compiled from the ratings of the individual stations. Networks are used in radio to provide content a station wants for "free" to the station; the station gives part of the time, which the network resells in a package, usually at a rate lower than the sum of the rates of each station. That way the network gets revenue, and the station does not have hard cash costs... this is similar to the model for network TV, too. Only one network show I know of, Rush, requires in some markets an amount of cash as well as inventory (but there may be a few others). The syndication model, similar to network, was invented by the folks who created American Top 40... principally Tom Rounds... around 1970. The show was generally free to the station, or had a small payment for hard costs, and the station ran the program's spots, which provided Watermark with its profits. One show, the famous or infamous one created by Art Bell, required most of the barter spots to be run in the daytime, except for a few that had an appeal to overnight listeners specifically, such as the "consumer DX radios" they often peddle. |
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HOW MANY people listen to Distant (100 mile) AM at night?
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:24:37 -0700, Roadie wrote:
- Show quoted text - Operating in the public interest is fine, but targeting an audience hundreds of miles away that an advertiser would have little hope of selling his product to makes no business sense at all. And radio stations are businesses that attempt to be profitable. They are public trustees using a part of the commons and in return must operate in the public interest. If they make money, fine, but they have a higher obligation to serve the people who grant them a license. |
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