How many AM DX'ers are there?
How many nighttime AM listeners are there?

Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm
looking for a reliable source.

On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
How many AM DX'ers are there?
How many nighttime AM listeners are there?


Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is
lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is
porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available
from Arbitron or the radio station in question.


Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm
looking for a reliable source.

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

On Oct 1, 7:54 am, Roadie wrote:
On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:

How many AM DX'ers are there?
How many nighttime AM listeners are there?

Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is
lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is
porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available
from Arbitron or the radio station in question.



Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm
looking for a reliable source.

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

Because of this arrogance, terrestrial radio will be obsolete within
20 years.

On Oct 1, 10:00 am, David wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:54:21 -0700, Roadie wrote:
On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
How many AM DX'ers are there?
How many nighttime AM listeners are there?

Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is
lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is
porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available
from Arbitron or the radio station in question.

Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm
looking for a reliable source.

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If
people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at
7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50
kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric
bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees
cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Operating in the public interest is fine, but targeting an audience
hundreds of miles away that an advertiser would have little hope of
selling his product to makes no business sense at all. And radio
stations are businesses that attempt to be profitable.

On Oct 1, 9:05 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Oct 1, 7:54 am, Roadie wrote:





On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:

How many AM DX'ers are there?
How many nighttime AM listeners are there?

Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is
lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is
porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available
from Arbitron or the radio station in question.

Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm
looking for a reliable source.

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

Because of this arrogance, terrestrial radio will be obsolete within
20 years.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Indeed if local audiences decide that internet, satellite, HD and
cable are more reliable ways to obtain information and entertainment
it may not take that long. But my guess is that radio stations will
continue to target and broadcast to local audiences. They will also
continue to not targer dxers and other out-of-area audiences.

"Roadie" wrote in message
ps.com...
Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If
people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at
7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50
kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric
bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees
cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Operating in the public interest is fine, but targeting an audience
hundreds of miles away that an advertiser would have little hope of
selling his product to makes no business sense at all. And radio
stations are businesses that attempt to be profitable.


This is where you sell national products. People buy Coke, Pepsi, STP,
Quaker State (and Quaker Oats) everywhere. Most nighttime radio has long
been such spots (as has network radio always been).

On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:54:21 -0700, Roadie wrote:

On Oct 1, 6:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
How many AM DX'ers are there?
How many nighttime AM listeners are there?


Two very different questions. The first one has no answer, but is
lilkely quite small. The number of nighttime listeners is
porincipally their local audience and the counts are likely available
from Arbitron or the radio station in question.


Does anyone know the official numbers? Has the FCC tracked it? I'm
looking for a reliable source.

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest. If
people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at
7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50
kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric
bills and all would run syndicated talk radio because those ASCAP fees
cut into the bottom line and it's much cheaper to pay a hatemonger.

Roadie wrote:

How many AM DX'ers are there?

...has no answer, but is likely quite small.

I agree, but I'd still like to see some kind of answer, or rough
estimate (like 10,000 nationwide). Guess I'll go google searching.



How many nighttime AM listeners are there?

The number of nighttime listeners is principally their
local audience and the counts are likely available
from Arbitron or the radio station in question.

arbitron only list 6am to midnight. There's no breakdown available
for nighttime hours, at least none that I can see.

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

David wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:54:21 -0700, Roadie

The real question is whether radio stations really care about geting
an inconsistent signal to non-local listeners on nighttime AM. The
inability to provide a consistent signal coupled with advertising that
is usually local in nature would seem to indicate that non-local
listeners are not much of a concern to AM stations.

Radio stations are supposed to operate in the public interest.


Yes the *majority* public interest, not the micro-minority that
numbers 0.01% of the populace. The FCC is under no obligation to
serve a micro-minority's interest.

And yes it is a micro-minority.

It's not the 50s anymore..... today's population of teens and young
adults are listening to the *internet* for their Distance radio, not
SW or AM skywave. The FCC is hear to serve THEM - the majority - and
their wish to have more variety, more choices, more eclectic music
styles (like "indie rock" on 98ROCK-HD 3).

The FCC is serving the majority's wishes, not the 0.01% micro-
minority.






people like Dwardo had their way all radio would cease transmitting at
7 PM because the advertising drops below the breakeven level. All 50
kW stations would cut their power by 3 dB to save money on electric


I admit it. If I had my way, AM stations would be forbidden to
broadcast further than 100 miles. Only 2 or 3 "superstations" like
WGN or WTBS or WOR would be allowed to do national-wide AM. Thus
cleaning-up the air.

Alternatively:

I would forbid Digital broadcast at night, and propose to the FCC
board that AM analog be terminated in 2015. (Same as the UK and
Germany are planning to do.) At that time AM-HD would take over
during night broadcasts.

Welllllll,,,, you know and I tell y'all what.(say, What?) I rarely do
any AM DXing anymore.When I was much younger, (old Western Cowboy movie
about the Younger brothers.[[Are you a Younger brother?]] //No, I am
older than him!//) I used to be a real AM DXing hound dog.

Detour, 1945 old, old, old movie is on the Radio tb TCM channel right
now.That's a right good movie.I wouldn't mind ''tying up'' with a blonde
like that one,,,, either Ann Savage, or is she Claudia Drake?
cuhulin