JBorg, Jr. wrote:
dizzy wrote:
JBorg, Jr. wrote:

Guess what, indoor, the flexible dipole beats the ST-2 hands down in
everyway. No contest.
I've always had fine performance from the cheap wire dipoles. I tried
one of the RS omni-directionals once (looks like an X made of 3'
oblong loops), and was not impressed.

Making these toy-like, table-top and wall mounted antennas to work is as
rewarding as giving lessons to teach a baboon the fine art of French
cuisine. Compared to an outdoor, roof-top well-designed yagis with
rotor, these mini-omnidirectionals are like pinworms contending with
anacondas.


Go DXing !


When Sporadic E happens almost anything will give you a catch. There's
nothing wrong with a folded dipole tacked to an outside wall, especially
in a higher-up room or apartment, if that's all you can do.

On Mar 9, 12:49*am, "JBorg, Jr." wrote:
dizzy wrote:
JBorg, Jr. wrote:

Guess what, indoor, *the flexible dipole beats the ST-2 hands down in
everyway. *No contest.

I've always had fine performance from the cheap wire dipoles. *I tried
one of the RS omni-directionals once (looks like an X made of 3'
oblong loops), and was not impressed.

- Making these toy-like, table-top and wall mounted
- antennas to work is as rewarding as giving lessons
- to teach a baboon the fine art of French cuisine.
-
- Compared to an outdoor, roof-top well-designed yagis
- with rotor, these mini-omnidirectionals are like pinworms
- contending with anacondas.
-
- Go DXing !
-

JBorg, Jr.

Please note that "James" the original poster asked :
"Who makes a good outdoor, omni-directional fm antenna ?"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b62830262cf871

The average Metro-Area {Local} FM Radio Listener
does not buy and use a "Turnstile" Omni-Directional
FM Antenna for FM Radio DXing. {Distant Listening}.

"Turnstile" Omni-Directional FM Antenna (FMSS)
http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/turnstil.gif
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=FMSS
http://cgi.ebay.com/l_W0QQitemZ190205033741

They buy and use a "Turnstile" FM Antenna because it does
work very well in Urban Areas; where they have strong FM
Signals coming from many FM Radio Stations who's signals
are originating from several locations and directions that
are spread-out all around their Home or Office.

"Turnstile" Omni-Directional FM Antenna on the Roof
http://www.ogrensat.com/graphics/antena2a.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/~n0gz/antenna_farm2.jpg
http://images.jupiterimages.com/comm...9/22966974.jpg
- - - = = = Versus = = = - - -
Multi-Element FM Antenna with a Rotor mounted
High-Up In-the-Air for FM Radio DXing
http://www.marcradio.org/gxmrctower2.jpg
http://www.blish.org/ppages/bwpics/APS14.jpg
http://www.ogrensat.com/graphics/antena1a.jpg

Clearly Two very 'different' FM Radio Antenna 'Set-Ups :
For Two very 'different' FM Radio Listening uses.
http://www.abc.net.au/reception/radio/fm_antenna.htm

Multi-Element FM Radio Antennas for DXing
Winegard HD-6000 FM Stereo Antenna ProStar PR-6000 4 Element Yagi
Outdoor Local Off-Air Reception Digital Radio Station Signal Rooftop
Aerial, 75 Ohm Suburban Directive, Part # HD6000, PR6000 | With Coax
Cable
http://www.summitsource.com/product_...oducts_id=4584

AntennaCraft FM6 FM Antenna 6 Electronic Elements Triple Driven
Directional Near Fringe Outdoor Radio Station Signal Rooftop Local Off-
Air Digital Stereo Reception Aerial, Part # FM-6 [Item # ANTFM6]
http://www.summitsource.com/product_...oducts_id=6055
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ300196503728

Three (3) Winegard FM {Only} Antennas
http://www.winegard.com/offair/fm.htm
HD6055P - http://www.winegard.com/offair/pdf/HD6055P.pdf
http://www.starkelectronic.com/wnhd6065.jpg

enjoy listening to your radios
it's been 'fm' marvelous ~ RHF

On Mar 6, 8:12*pm, "James" no wrote:
Who makes a good outdoor, omni-directional fm antenna ?

I prefer to use *RG6 as the lead in, and I definitely need an
omni-directional antenna.

Radio Shack used to make a dual element, folded dipole outside fm antenna,
but I don't find it on their website.

Thanks for any tips !!

James

Wouldn't the best omni-directional antenna simply be a whip? All the
others I can think of are going to be steerable.

Radioguy wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:12 pm, "James" no wrote:
Who makes a good outdoor, omni-directional fm antenna ?

I prefer to use RG6 as the lead in, and I definitely need an
omni-directional antenna.

Radio Shack used to make a dual element, folded dipole outside fm antenna,
but I don't find it on their website.

Thanks for any tips !!

James

Wouldn't the best omni-directional antenna simply be a whip? All the
others I can think of are going to be steerable.

A whip or a open ring, depending on polarization. Or maybe an Andrew V.

On Mar 9, 10:37*am, Radioguy wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:12*pm, "James" no wrote:

Who makes a good outdoor, omni-directional fm antenna ?

I prefer to use *RG6 as the lead in, and I definitely need an
omni-directional antenna.

Radio Shack used to make a dual element, folded dipole outside fm antenna,
but I don't find it on their website.

Thanks for any tips !!

James

- Wouldn't the best omni-directional antenna
- simply be a whip? * All the others I can think
- of are going to be steerable.

RG,

Here are Five Good Omni-Directional FM Antennas :

1 - Indoors the Whip Antenna built into the Radio is
a very good Omni-Directional FM Radio Antenna.

2 - The common FM Folded Dipole mounted Vertically
On-a-Wall is a very good Omni-Directional FM Antenna.
Ready-Made and Low Cost plus Good Perfromance

3 - A single 96" long piece of Wire going Up-the-Wall
from the Floor to the Ceiling that is Tapped at 32" from
the Floor with TV 300 Ohm Twin-Lead to the FM Receiver
can be a very effective Omni-Directional FM Antenna*.

| - 1/2 WL ~ 64 Inches
|
|
|
|
|
================= Twin-Lead to Radio
|
|
| - 1/4 WL ~ 32 Inches

* Also the Single Wire can be replaced by 300 Ohm
Twin Lead too.

That Something Extra : This Flood-to-Ceiling Antenna can
be used a 'bad' Weather In-Doors Shortwave Antenna too.

4 - Simple FM Radio Band Loop Antenna can be used
as a Horizontal FM Loop Antenna and is fairly Omni-
Directional Antenna too.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5d513ceb21150d
-Or- Mount it Vertically and it is very Directional.

5 - For Out-Side consider the "Snake" [Mono-Pole]
Vertical Antenna for the FM Radio Band
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...544af32df58ab9


the omni-magic of 'fm' antennas ~ RHF
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas Group = http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/

"dave" wrote in message

Radioguy wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:12 pm, "James" no wrote:
Who makes a good outdoor, omni-directional fm antenna ?

I prefer to use RG6 as the lead in, and I definitely
need an omni-directional antenna.

Radio Shack used to make a dual element, folded dipole
outside fm antenna, but I don't find it on their
website. Thanks for any tips !!

James

Wouldn't the best omni-directional antenna simply be a
whip? All the others I can think of are going to be
steerable.

A whip or a open ring, depending on polarization. Or
maybe an Andrew V.

Problem with whips is that they have vertical polarization. FM is always
transmitted with a strong horizontal component, the vertical component is
optional.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

Problem with whips is that they have vertical polarization. FM is always
transmitted with a strong horizontal component, the vertical component is
optional.

Not true. FM is transmitted almost universally as circular polarization.
This has been so for at least a couple decades now.

On Mar 9, 1:42*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

. ..



- - Problem with whips is that they have vertical polarization.
- - FM is always transmitted with a strong horizontal
- - component, the vertical component is optional.

- Not true. FM is transmitted almost universally as
- circular polarization. This has been so for at least
- a couple decades now.

IIRC - Initially like TV the Horizontal Polarization scheme
was great for the Visual Line-of-Sight broadcasting from
the TV Station's Tower to Home TV and FM Radio.

But FM Radios problem was the Automobile and getting
a good quality FM Radio signal to the Cars and Trucks
which 99.73% of the time had Vertical Whip Antennas.

Circular Polarization allowed FM Radio to be broadcasted
equally well to both Home and Automobile; plus Circular
Polarization did help to eliminate some Multi-path problems.

sort of kind a right - to my ways of think ~ RHF

I ought to stop holding up and shaking that old white T shirt like that
and making ghostly noises.Doggy thinks it's a real ghost.
cuhulin, the Ghost

Arny Krueger wrote:


Problem with whips is that they have vertical polarization. FM is always
transmitted with a strong horizontal component, the vertical component is
optional.



Not always. There are FM stations with no horizontal pol at all, due to
spacing considerations with TV channel 6.