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"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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dxAce wrote:

Programming AFN is not like programming WKSC.

As past part of a comittee to get two AFRTS stations in Puerto Rico
closed
(they were) I find that statement disingenuous.

Why did you want them closed?

It was the PRBA that wanted them closed as they were delivering significant
signals to non-milatary areas in the San Juan and Aguadilla cities.

Wouldn't they let you pretend that you owned them?

They were crummy AMs.

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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dxAce wrote:

Programming AFN is not like programming WKSC.

As past part of a comittee to get two AFRTS stations in Puerto Rico
closed
(they were) I find that statement disingenuous.

Why did you want them closed?

It was the PRBA that wanted them closed as they were delivering significant
signals to non-milatary areas in the San Juan and Aguadilla cities.

Awwwww...



Wouldn't they let you pretend that you owned them?

They were crummy AMs.

So it was really because they wouldn't let you pretend that you owned them...

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dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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dxAce wrote:
He doesn't get it, Steve.

Consider that there are a number of things that are not like things at
home. One is that the listener him/herself is different.
They're
committed. They're focussed. They're trained. They've volunteered to
serve. They're politically active at the most basic level. They're less
concerned about the fluff that dominates the evening news than they are
defending the fundamental freedoms that permit the behaviours that lead to
the fluff that dominates the evening news.

That takes them off most squares of the psychographic grid. Hometown
demography doesn't apply. They're a different type of people with
listening tastes and habits that reflect a different type of lifestyle.

Another consideration is that there are dramatically fewer choices for
listening in theatre. Unlike you and me, who have a dial full of
selections, troops in theatre have a fraction of the offerings. They
listen, as you say, for fresh truths from home. Not for the latest George
Michael release.

And politically, they tend to a more conservative path. Rush is big with
military, as a whole, regardless of demography.

Programming AFN is not like programming WKSC.
As past part of a comittee to get two AFRTS stations in Puerto Rico closed
(they were) I find that statement disingenuous.
Why did you want them closed?

Wouldn't they let you pretend that you owned them?


There's a lot of anti-military in this country. I live about 5
minutes from Great Lakes. It's shameful the way men and women in uniform
are treated in public, here.

I was behind a woman at Wal-Mart in Waukegan about 3 months ago. She
was clearly stocking up, and was burning up some serious time in the
checkout line. The guy behind me was grousing about it.

I noticed her ID on a lanyard around her neck. And asked if she was
Navy. She affirmed she was, and I thanked her for her service. You
should have heard the noise. From others in line. From others in
adjacent lines. The cashier had the good sense to be quiet, but was
clearly disamused.

The pride with which Gleason asserts his part in getting two AFRTS
stations closed only underscores the assertion sometime back that the
only thing we've ever heard him renounce is his citizenship.
Amen to that.

We've a ships reunion next year at or near Great Lakes, so perhaps I'll get down
that way.


Do.

I certainly hope to do so. Been 30 years or more since I saw a lot of those guys.




That's going to be an emotional weekend.

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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
... The pride
with which Gleason asserts his part in getting two AFRTS
stations closed only underscores the assertion sometime back that the only
thing we've ever heard him renounce is his citizenship.


The driving force in closing AFRTS Ramey and AFRTS Buchanan was the PRBA
which objected, on legal grounds, to those stations covering way too much of
the civilian population when an LPFM would suffice. Considering that, at the
time, the environmental damage and health risk the Navy was putting the
Municipality of Vieques through at the time, the PRBA was rather adamant
about this invasion of Puerto Rican airwaves by the US military.

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"dxAce" wrote in message
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So it was really because they wouldn't let you pretend that you owned
them...



No, it was because the 120 station strong Puerto Rico Broadcasters
Association felt the stations were illegal. And they were.

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D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
dxAce wrote:
He doesn't get it, Steve.

Consider that there are a number of things that are not like things at
home. One is that the listener him/herself is different.
They're
committed. They're focussed. They're trained. They've volunteered to
serve. They're politically active at the most basic level. They're less
concerned about the fluff that dominates the evening news than they are
defending the fundamental freedoms that permit the behaviours that lead to
the fluff that dominates the evening news.

That takes them off most squares of the psychographic grid. Hometown
demography doesn't apply. They're a different type of people with
listening tastes and habits that reflect a different type of lifestyle.

Another consideration is that there are dramatically fewer choices for
listening in theatre. Unlike you and me, who have a dial full of
selections, troops in theatre have a fraction of the offerings. They
listen, as you say, for fresh truths from home. Not for the latest George
Michael release.

And politically, they tend to a more conservative path. Rush is big with
military, as a whole, regardless of demography.

Programming AFN is not like programming WKSC.
As past part of a comittee to get two AFRTS stations in Puerto Rico closed
(they were) I find that statement disingenuous.
Why did you want them closed?

Wouldn't they let you pretend that you owned them?


There's a lot of anti-military in this country. I live about 5
minutes from Great Lakes. It's shameful the way men and women in uniform
are treated in public, here.

I was behind a woman at Wal-Mart in Waukegan about 3 months ago. She
was clearly stocking up, and was burning up some serious time in the
checkout line. The guy behind me was grousing about it.

I noticed her ID on a lanyard around her neck. And asked if she was
Navy. She affirmed she was, and I thanked her for her service. You
should have heard the noise. From others in line. From others in
adjacent lines. The cashier had the good sense to be quiet, but was
clearly disamused.

The pride with which Gleason asserts his part in getting two AFRTS
stations closed only underscores the assertion sometime back that the
only thing we've ever heard him renounce is his citizenship.
Amen to that.

We've a ships reunion next year at or near Great Lakes, so perhaps I'll get down
that way.


Do.

I certainly hope to do so. Been 30 years or more since I saw a lot of those guys.



That's going to be an emotional weekend.

You bet! But it'll be a fun weekend.

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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So it was really because they wouldn't let you pretend that you owned
them...



No, it was because the 120 station strong Puerto Rico Broadcasters
Association felt the stations were illegal. And they were.

Illegal my ass...

It was really because they wouldn't let you pretend that you owned them...

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So it was really because they wouldn't let you pretend that you owned
them...



No, it was because the 120 station strong Puerto Rico Broadcasters
Association felt the stations were illegal. And they were.

Illegal my ass...

It was really because they wouldn't let you pretend that you owned
them...

AFRTS Buchannan could be easily heard in Hato Rey, Old San Juan and Cataño
and the northern reaches of Guaynabo, very illegal coverage. AFRTS Ramey
could be heard on the coast as far as Isabela to the East and Aguada and
Moca to the West and Southwest.

That's totally illegal. The proof is that both switched to low power FM when
the PRBA presented its case.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
... The pride
with which Gleason asserts his part in getting two AFRTS
stations closed only underscores the assertion sometime back that the only
thing we've ever heard him renounce is his citizenship.


The driving force in closing AFRTS Ramey and AFRTS Buchanan was the PRBA
which objected, on legal grounds, to those stations covering way too much of
the civilian population when an LPFM would suffice. Considering that, at the
time, the environmental damage and health risk the Navy was putting the
Municipality of Vieques through at the time, the PRBA was rather adamant
about this invasion of Puerto Rican airwaves by the US military.







Once again, you demonstrate my point for me.

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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
... The
pride with which Gleason asserts his part in getting two AFRTS
stations closed only underscores the assertion sometime back that the
only thing we've ever heard him renounce is his citizenship.


The driving force in closing AFRTS Ramey and AFRTS Buchanan was the PRBA
which objected, on legal grounds, to those stations covering way too much
of the civilian population when an LPFM would suffice. Considering that,
at the time, the environmental damage and health risk the Navy was
putting the Municipality of Vieques through at the time, the PRBA was
rather adamant about this invasion of Puerto Rican airwaves by the US
military.





Once again, you demonstrate my point for me.

If the point is to show how many ugly things the US has done abroad, then
that's right.