On Jul 31, 9:58�am, Rfburns wrote:
On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:





"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?"

DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology
intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave
and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible
with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that
are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is
anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some
DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM
signals.

Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests
with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using
DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced
receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most
importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present.

DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original
plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it
be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners
embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing
efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been
started yet.

Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers
and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless
there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the
listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological
experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now,
are clearly throwing their money out of the window.

Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital
satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an
audience for different reasons.

We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and
as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM
broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see
until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and
of course there are listeners using them.

We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet
streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are
regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened
to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and
Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in
those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated
in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers
to DRM capable devices.

Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening
for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising
technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined
for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that
continent.

DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT
what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe,
sometime in the future.

http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7

Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org-

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does
DRM appear to be a bust? �I could only find a handful of very
expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not
interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. �Thanks....

DRM is a waste of time and resources. �To produce transmitters before
the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to
mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder, if he called Struble and said, "hey, that hdradiofarce guy
is bothering us, now!". "Goddamnit, he's sending us
those Goddamn website traffic analysis graphs, too!"

On Jul 31, 7:55*pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Jul 31, 9:58 am, Rfburns wrote:





On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:

"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?"

DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology
intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave
and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible
with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that
are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is
anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some
DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM
signals.

Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests
with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using
DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced
receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most
importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present.

DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original
plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it
be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners
embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing
efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been
started yet.

Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers
and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless
there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the
listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological
experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now,
are clearly throwing their money out of the window.

Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital
satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an
audience for different reasons.

We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and
as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM
broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see
until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and
of course there are listeners using them.

We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet
streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are
regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened
to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and
Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in
those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated
in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers
to DRM capable devices.

Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening
for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising
technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined
for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that
continent.

DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT
what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe,
sometime in the future.

http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7

Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org-

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does
DRM appear to be a bust? I could only find a handful of very
expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not
interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. Thanks...

DRM is a waste of time and resources. To produce transmitters before
the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to
mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- I wonder, if he called Struble and said,
- "hey, that hdradiofarce guy is bothering us, now!".
-*"Goddamnit, he's sending us those Goddamn
- website traffic analysis graphs, too!"

KaitoWRX911,

You are a vast growing figment of your own over-active imagination.

d r m on . . . ~ rhf

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,
KaitoWRX911 wrote:

On Jul 31, 9:58?am, Rfburns wrote:
On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:





"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?"

DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology
intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave
and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible
with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that
are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is
anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some
DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM
signals.

Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests
with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using
DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced
receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most
importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present.

DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original
plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it
be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners
embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing
efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been
started yet.

Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers
and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless
there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the
listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological
experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now,
are clearly throwing their money out of the window.

Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital
satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an
audience for different reasons.

We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and
as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM
broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see
until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and
of course there are listeners using them.

We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet
streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are
regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened
to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and
Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in
those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated
in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers
to DRM capable devices.

Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening
for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising
technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined
for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that
continent.

DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT
what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe,
sometime in the future.

http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7

Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org-

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does
DRM appear to be a bust? ?I could only find a handful of very
expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not
interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. ?Thanks...

DRM is a waste of time and resources. ?To produce transmitters before
the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to
mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it.- Hide quoted text
-

- Show quoted text -

It appears that SW listeners have little interest in DRM. The hit
count on drm.org is only a couple of hundred/month, and falling.
There are only a couple of very expensive DRM receivers and they are
battery-hogs. Of couse, just as with SiPort's IBOC chip that never
materialized, Samsung's IBOC chip is a battery-hog and is too large
for devices, such as cell phones. Here is a copy of a letter that I
sent to drm.org, yesterday:

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To Whom It May Concern:

I am wondering about the future of DRM - I came across this article,
which indicated that DRM is pretty much DOA:

"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?"

"Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers
and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless
there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the
listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological
experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now,
are clearly throwing their money out of the window."

http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7

Then, I ran this website traffic analysis of http://drm.org -

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv

It looks almost dead. I understand that DRM is causing interference
on SW, as is HD Radio/IBOC on AM/FM in the US. I could only find a
handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated
that they are not interested, and Sangean has put their DRM MP40
receiver on hold. Any thoughts?

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If you look at the drm.og website, the hyped picture of the girl
listening to DRM appears to be almost a mirror image of the
fraudulently hyped pictures on iBiquity's and HD Radio Alliance's
websites.

That's Alice in the looking glass and DRM is just as fraudulent as IBOC.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California