It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

Back to the subject line "IBOC obsolete out of the box" is true. It's
old technology. Worse it is miss applied to the AM band. Even worse is
the analog/digital cohabitation of the band. Technically pure crapola.

Get used to it. It's here to stay. And like FM, like Stereo, etc...it will
get better.

As a youngster, I was absolutely fascinated by all things radio -
being able to hear stations from all over the US, on a simple pocket
transistor radio, falling asleep to programs from WLS, WBBM, KOA,
etc., was magical to me as an 8 year old. My neighbor introduced me to
shortwave on one of these;

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...xvr/sx130.html

His wife gave the rig to me when he passed away; I still have it,
although it isn't working now. I heard HCJB for my first shortwave
station (who didn't?), and I was hooked.

Over the years, I have owned dozens of radios - scanners, portables,
desktops, you name it. I still have quite a few of them, and I still
get a great deal of enjoyment from the magic of radio. My E1 XM even
got me into satellite radio, and I can't believe it took me so long to
finally try it! I'm hooked on that now, too. As for IBOC, I even
picked up a well-built Sony XDR-S3HD on closeout, just to try it out.
AM is marginal; the HD rarely stays locked for more than a minute...
the FM works well, for the most part, but only because I have an
amplified antenna connected up - otherwise, many stations refuse to
lock on to the HD signal.

I think the main reason that there are any people upset, or
indifferent, to HD radio, is that instead of it being an open,
unencumbered, free, and easily implemented transparent standard, it is
tightly controlled, proprietary, restricted, and prohibitively
expensive, benefiting only one greedy corporation; Ibiquity. If the
transition were more like the one for Digital TV, where converter
boxes were inexpensive, and the government supplied people with $40
vouchers towards the purchase of them, I think the perception would be
drastically different. Instead, Ibiquity came up with a solution to a
problem that didn't exist for most people, and charged up the wazoo
for it... kind of like Microsoft... Windows Vista for Radio!

http://gravitymedium.com/2008/03/17/...ling-hd-radio/

(Sorry, everyone - I shouldn't be taking over Pocket Radio's job! The
article was too good to pass up, though.)

If Ibiquity wasn't so blatantly greedy, and so manipulative with the
press, things might have gone better for them. But I doubt it. At
least the Ibiquity shills will still have plenty of work to do... ;-)

On Oct 7, 7:01�pm, "A Browne" wrote:
It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. �So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. �Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. �Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? �No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. �And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. �It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. �puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

On Oct 7, 7:01�pm, "A Browne" wrote:
It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. �So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. �Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. �Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? �No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. �And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. �It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. �puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

On Oct 8, 3:53*pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Oct 7, 7:01 pm, "A Browne" wrote:





It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

Back to the subject line "IBOC obsolete out of the box" is true. It's
old technology. Worse it is miss applied to the AM band. Even worse is
the analog/digital cohabitation of the band. Technically pure crapola..

Get used to it. It's here to stay. And like FM, like Stereo, etc...it will
get better.

Technically, there is no way to improve IBOC. IBOC is failing, and it
will eventually disappear.

Windows Vista users are looking for a new fresh appearance for their
computer.
Instead, they got an expensive bloated operating system, that's like
dragging a boat anchor around. And cumbersome security gadgets.

The reason broadcasters bought into IBOC was because of perceived
threats from satellite radio. It's sold as near CD sound quality, and
hundreds of free stations. I think dissatisfied radio listeners may
simply want expanded play list, less repetition. And please stop
playing 10 spots back to back. The sound is ok.

Instead listeners must buy another radio, when their current radios
work. Broadcasters are tinkering with the technology. Some days IBOCS
are running and some days they're not. So far IBOC stations are
simulcasts of existing stations, or mostly vanilla jockless jukeboxes.
Hundreds of new radio stations, maybe if you count all stations across
the country. Research is saying listeners are confused, they think
IBOC and satellite radio are the same.

The government should provide a coupon, or Iniquity should make cheap
converter boxes

Instead listeners must buy another radio, when their current radios
work.

Thats why it will take time for HD to gain traction.

No one expected people to throw out all their radio and buy new ones.

The new ones will start appearing in cars, etc...and will simply replace the
others.

This is why all the naysayers who want to proclaim it dead after 2 years are
wrong.

As was stated here...it brings added functionality to the old technologyu of
broadcasting....and operators like the extra streams.

It's not going anywhere.

So far IBOC stations are
simulcasts of existing stations, or mostly vanilla jockless jukeboxes.

Vanilla Jockless jukeboxes? Sounds just like satellite radio!

Get used to it. ?It's here to stay. ?And like FM, like Stereo, etc...it
will
get better.

Technically, there is no way to improve IBOC. IBOC is failing, and it
will eventually disappear.

Oh ye of little brains.

Just to point to one choice. The FCC is pondering allowing the increase in
power for IBOC/HD.

Thats, in itself will make it better.

BTW...How id your Atari computer?

Did that get any better?