On Jul 11, 6:52*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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I really don't see why there are people who take on Dave on a personal
basis for his ill-advised Kool-Aid drinking belief in IBOC.

You've obviously missed the posts where I've indicated I think that AM HD is
dead, because the AM band is dead now save a handful of stations and those
will have moved their content to FM in the next few years, like another,
WERC in Birmingham, did last week. When excellent signal AMs like KIRO,
WIBC, WERC, KTAR, KSL, etc., move to FM or are simulcasting with the intent
of moving, we know what the endgame is.

And on FM, there was a window of opportunity which has been closed by the
recession. Technology has moved past HD, and nobody has the money to buy the
radios, good or bad.

Oh, I've seen all your comments on AM and IBOC. I just don't drink the
Kool-Aid.

IBOC is not "on channel", unless you count someone else's channel as
being "on channel." You look at all the engineering that went into
keeping one station from bleeding into another, and "it was good."
Then along comes IBOC and it just pees on the adjacent channel. Worse
yet, they run that damn hash generator at night so it has skip.

Give them good programing, and they will listen. You don't need
gimmicks like IBOC.

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On Jul 11, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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I really don't see why there are people who take on Dave on a personal
basis for his ill-advised Kool-Aid drinking belief in IBOC.

You've obviously missed the posts where I've indicated I think that AM HD
is
dead, because the AM band is dead now save a handful of stations and those
will have moved their content to FM in the next few years, like another,
WERC in Birmingham, did last week. When excellent signal AMs like KIRO,
WIBC, WERC, KTAR, KSL, etc., move to FM or are simulcasting with the
intent
of moving, we know what the endgame is.

And on FM, there was a window of opportunity which has been closed by the
recession. Technology has moved past HD, and nobody has the money to buy
the
radios, good or bad.

Oh, I've seen all your comments on AM and IBOC. I just don't drink the
Kool-Aid.

It's not as simplistic and one-dimensional as that. First, TV was going
digital, the Internet is digial and radio is analog. Some kind of digital
bragging right was desirable. Second, the entire industry and its 100,000
employees would be shaken by trying the European concept of a new band...
and hindsight proved that to be true.

On AM there was no measurable listening to adjacent channel stations within
the primary curves of another station, and night listening to AM is
miserably low, so any loss against a potential gain is minimal.

What was not looked at is the fact that these are all "rearranging the deck
chairs on the Titanic" issues since AM is for most stations and most markets
well on its way out and for all practical purposes, near death.

IBOC is not "on channel", unless you count someone else's channel as
being "on channel." You look at all the engineering that went into
keeping one station from bleeding into another, and "it was good."
Then along comes IBOC and it just pees on the adjacent channel. Worse
yet, they run that damn hash generator at night so it has skip.

Again, you are talking about AM. There is a Spanish saying that goes "a
monkey when dressed in silk is still a monkey." There is little or no hope
for AM. Wasting time worrying about adjacent channel stations that nobody
but a few hundred, mostly senile, DXers listen to, is absurd.

Give them good programing, and they will listen. You don't need
gimmicks like IBOC.

You need FM. Nobody under 50 listens much to AM, and the figures drop every
year. Yet when reasonably successful stations on AM move to FM, they grow,
particularly in the under-55 ages that you can sell. An example is the AM
sports station in Detroit, which added FM. Now it is the #1 station in the
whole market... while on AM it was way behind the pack. Same programming,
but on FM... because most people who are not seniors will not listen to AM.

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On Jul 11, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Give them good programing, and they will listen. You don't need
gimmicks like IBOC.

It's been so long since there was good programming that bean counters and
PD's have forgotten what good programming IS. They think this (still) IS.
Back when these tight formats and formulaic station operation first came in,
of COURSE they became popular. At the time, THEY WERE DIFFERENT. People LIKE
different when it comes to their entertainment. The stuff got old YEARS ago,
but since nothing new is being introduced, nobody knows the difference. It's
"Hey, this stuff worked in the late 50's for Alan Freed, it will work for
us, too." This is how you get 15 clones of reality TV shows that nobody
really watches, they're just too bored to change the channel, since the
other channels have the same garbage on.

Eduardo talks about how bad indy bands are and that nobody listens to them.
I guess he thinks that the Beatles, Stones, Eagles, Bon Jovi and others were
always hot commercial bands.. everybody starts out indy.. the ones that are
given a chance are the ones that make it. The Beatles came up doing dingy
clubs in Germany and worked their way up to command performances before they
were ever signed to a lable. The Eagles used to come and play our little
local venue in Astoria (the National Guard armory) before anyone ever
thought of "Take it Easy." Jon Bon Jovi played small club venues in New
Jersey and the surrounding area for years before he was "discovered".

Suits think the world revolves around them, and that their ideas of how
things work, or should work, are the only ones that matter. Well, there's a
world of people out here that disagree with them.. and they're about to find
that out the hard way.

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On Jul 11, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Eduardo talks about how bad indy bands are and that nobody listens to
them. I guess he thinks that the Beatles, Stones, Eagles, Bon Jovi and
others were always hot commercial bands.. everybody starts out indy.. the
ones that are given a chance are the ones that make it. The Beatles came
up doing dingy clubs in Germany and worked their way up to command
performances before they were ever signed to a lable. The Eagles used to
come and play our little local venue in Astoria (the National Guard
armory) before anyone ever thought of "Take it Easy." Jon Bon Jovi played
small club venues in New Jersey and the surrounding area for years before
he was "discovered".

But they were not ready for mass exposure on the radio any more than a
medical school grad is ready to operate on people alone without an
internship and residency period...

Radio, when it started asking listeners to grade the songs one by one,
learned that most of those things were not a service to listeners, who

David Eduardo wrote:



Radio, when it started asking listeners to grade the songs one by one,
learned that most of those things were not a service to listeners, who

Your biggest mistake is asking listeners' opinions about things they
know nothing about. You are supposed to tell them what to like. Not
the other way around.

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:



Radio, when it started asking listeners to grade the songs one by one,
learned that most of those things were not a service to listeners, who

Your biggest mistake is asking listeners' opinions about things they know
nothing about. You are supposed to tell them what to like. Not the other
way around.

Of course, nearly every station of any significance in the market you are in
does regular listener opinion gathering.

David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:



Radio, when it started asking listeners to grade the songs one by
one, learned that most of those things were not a service to
listeners, who

Your biggest mistake is asking listeners' opinions about things they
know nothing about. You are supposed to tell them what to like. Not
the other way around.

Of course, nearly every station of any significance in the market you
are in does regular listener opinion gathering.

And they all suck, big time!

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:



Radio, when it started asking listeners to grade the songs one by one,
learned that most of those things were not a service to listeners, who

Your biggest mistake is asking listeners' opinions about things they
know nothing about. You are supposed to tell them what to like. Not
the other way around.

Of course, nearly every station of any significance in the market you are
in does regular listener opinion gathering.

And they all suck, big time!

So, while these stations are based on the wants of the general public in
each specific format, you think they suck.

Perhaps you expect things of radio that radio can not give you without
failing in its ability to serve a greater number of people than you alone.

There will always be a few people with tastes that range from quirky to
eclectic, and for whom there will be no radio station fitting their needs.

Brenda Ann wrote:

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On Jul 11, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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Give them good programing, and they will listen. You don't need
gimmicks like IBOC.

It's been so long since there was good programming that bean counters and
PD's have forgotten what good programming IS. They think this (still) IS.
Back when these tight formats and formulaic station operation first came in,
of COURSE they became popular. At the time, THEY WERE DIFFERENT. People LIKE
different when it comes to their entertainment. The stuff got old YEARS ago,
but since nothing new is being introduced, nobody knows the difference. It's
"Hey, this stuff worked in the late 50's for Alan Freed, it will work for
us, too." This is how you get 15 clones of reality TV shows that nobody
really watches, they're just too bored to change the channel, since the
other channels have the same garbage on.

Eduardo talks about how bad indy bands are and that nobody listens to them.
I guess he thinks that the Beatles, Stones, Eagles, Bon Jovi and others were
always hot commercial bands.. everybody starts out indy.. the ones that are
given a chance are the ones that make it. The Beatles came up doing dingy
clubs in Germany and worked their way up to command performances before they
were ever signed to a lable. The Eagles used to come and play our little
local venue in Astoria (the National Guard armory) before anyone ever
thought of "Take it Easy." Jon Bon Jovi played small club venues in New
Jersey and the surrounding area for years before he was "discovered".

Suits think the world revolves around them, and that their ideas of how
things work, or should work, are the only ones that matter. Well, there's a
world of people out here that disagree with them.. and they're about to find
that out the hard way.

That's it! 'Eduardo' is a "suit". A faux Hispanic suit, but a suit none the
less.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology & Design.

They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who
knows, there may be more dufi there.

On Jul 12, 3:20*am, dxAce wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
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On Jul 11, 6:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

Give them good programing, and they will listen. You don't need
gimmicks like IBOC.

It's been so long since there was good programming that bean counters and
PD's have forgotten what good programming IS. They think this (still) IS.
Back when these tight formats and formulaic station operation first came in,
of COURSE they became popular. At the time, THEY WERE DIFFERENT. People LIKE
different when it comes to their entertainment. The stuff got old YEARS ago,
but since nothing new is being introduced, nobody knows the difference. It's
"Hey, this stuff worked in the late 50's for Alan Freed, it will work for
us, too." This is how you get 15 clones of reality TV shows that nobody
really watches, they're just too bored to change the channel, since the
other channels have the same garbage on.

Eduardo talks about how bad indy bands are and that nobody listens to them.
I guess he thinks that the Beatles, Stones, Eagles, Bon Jovi and others were
always hot commercial bands.. everybody starts out indy.. the ones that are
given a chance are the ones that make it. The Beatles came up doing dingy
clubs in Germany and worked their way up to command performances before they
were ever signed to a lable. The Eagles used to come and play our little
local venue in Astoria (the National Guard armory) before anyone ever
thought of "Take it Easy." Jon Bon Jovi played small club venues in New
Jersey and the surrounding area for years before he was "discovered".

Suits think the world revolves around them, and that their ideas of how
things work, or should work, are the only ones that matter. Well, there's a
world of people out here that disagree with them.. and they're about to find
that out the hard way.

That's it! 'Eduardo' is a "suit". A faux Hispanic suit, but a suit none the
less.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology & Design.

They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who
knows, there may be more dufi there.- Hide quoted text -

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It seems to me if Ibiquity filed for Bankruptcy it would be in Federal
Court instead of state court. This case is against someone who didn't
pay off a loan. Who ever suggested that Ibiquity is Bankrupt is being
a little disingenuous and doesn't understand this kind of case. If it
reaches the Feds I would be concerned