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Hating Palin
On Jul 12, 5:55*pm, Poetic Justice wrote:
Nickname unavailable wrote: On Jul 11, 10:10 pm, " wrote: now this is fascism: "I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism). Hudley Pearse *sorry, but the bush administration almost supported the 14 points of what makes fascism. Is that suppose to make us feel better about Obama's Socialist policies? the constitution is a socialists document. |
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Hating Palin
On Jul 11, 1:26*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, Barry wrote: now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance Report: Bush surveillance program was massive And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist"..... By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer – 2*mins*ago WASHINGTON – The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal inspectors general reported Friday, questioning the legal basis for the effort but shielding almost all details on grounds they're still too secret to reveal. The report, compiled by five inspectors general, refers to "unprecedented collection activities" by U.S. intelligence agencies under an executive order signed by President George W. Bush after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the IGs pointedly say that any continued use of the secret programs must be "carefully monitored." The report says too few relevant officials knew of the size and depth of the program, let alone signed off on it. They particularly criticize John Yoo, a deputy assistant attorney general who wrote legal memos undergirding the policy. His boss, Attorney General John Ashcroft, was not aware until March 2004 of the exact nature of the intelligence operations beyond wiretapping that he had been approving for the previous two and a half years, the report says. Most of the intelligence leads generated under what was known as the "President's Surveillance Program" did not have any connection to terrorism, the report said. But FBI agents told the authors that the "mere possibility of the leads producing useful information made investigating the leads worthwhile." The inspectors general interviewed more than 200 people inside and outside the government, but five former Bush administration officials refused to be questioned. They were Ashcroft, Yoo, former CIA Director George Tenet, former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and David Addington, an aide to former Vice President Dick Cheney. According to the report, Addington could personally decide who in the administration was "read into" — allowed access to — the classified program. The only piece of the intelligence-gathering operation acknowledged by the Bush White House was the wiretapping-without-warrants effort. The administration admitted in 2005 that it had allowed the National Security Agency to intercept international communications that passed through U.S. cables without seeking court orders. Although the report documents Bush administration policies, its fallout could be a problem for the Obama administration if it inherited any or all of the still-classified operations. Bush brought the warrantless wiretapping program under the authority of a secret court in 2006, and Congress authorized most of the intercepts in a 2008 electronic surveillance law. The fate of the remaining and still classified aspects of the wider surveillance program is not clear from the report. The report's revelations came the same day that House Democrats said that CIA Director Leon Panetta had ordered one eight-year-old classified program shut down after learning lawmakers had never been apprised of its existence. The IG report said that President Bush signed off on both the warrantless wiretapping and other top-secret operations shortly after Sept. 11 in a single presidential authorization. All the programs were periodically reauthorized, but except for the acknowledged wiretapping, they "remain highly classified." The report says it's unclear how much valuable intelligence the program has yielded. The report, mandated by Congress last year, was delivered to lawmakers Friday. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., told The Associated Press she was shocked to learn of the existence of other classified programs beyond the warrantless wiretapping. Former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales made a terse reference to other classified programs in an August 2007 letter to Congress. But Harman said that when she had asked Gonzales two years earlier if the government was conducting any other undisclosed intelligence activities, he denied it. "He looked me in the eye and said 'no,'" she said Friday. Robert Bork Jr., Gonzales' spokesman, said, "It has clearly been determined that he did not intend to mislead anyone." In the wake of the new report, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt, renewed his call Friday for a formal nonpartisan inquiry into the government's information-gathering programs. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden — the primary architect of the program_ told the report's authors that the surveillance was "extremely valuable" in preventing further al-Qaida attacks. Hayden said the operations amounted to an "early warning system" allowing top officials to make critical judgments and carefully allocate national security resources to counter threats. Information gathered by the secret program played a limited role in the FBI's overall counterterrorism efforts, according to the report. Very few CIA analysts even knew about the program and therefore were unable to fully exploit it in their counterrorism work, the report said. The report questioned the legal advice used by Bush to set up the program, pinpointing omissions and questionable legal memos written by Yoo, in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel. The Justice Department withdrew the memos years ago. The report says Yoo's analysis approving the program ignored a law designed to restrict the government's authority to conduct electronic surveillance during wartime, and did so without fully notifying Congress. And it said flaws in Yoo's memos later presented "a serious impediment" to recertifying the program. Yoo insisted that the president's wiretapping program had only to comply with Fourth Amendment protections against search and seizure — but the report said Yoo ignored the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which had previously overseen federal national security surveillance. "The notion that basically one person at the Justice Department, John Yoo, and Hayden and the vice president's office were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment, is mind boggling," Harman said. House Democrats are pressing for legislation that would expand congressional access to secret intelligence briefings, but the White House has threatened to veto it. |
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Hating Palin
John Poet wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote: On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote: now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance Report: Bush surveillance program was massive And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist"..... Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities. |
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Hating Palin
On Jul 25, 8:14*am, dave wrote:
John Poet wrote: On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote: On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote: now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance Report: Bush surveillance program was massive And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist"..... Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ....and he is about to increase your taxes to unprecidented levels. True to his Liberal Fascist faith he supports Communists world-wide against a legitimate and lawful Democratic Honduras. HEIL HITLER - get used to it 0baMa0ists. |
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Hating Palin
Palin says Goodbye to Alaska, Hello to National Stage.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=270366 We have some more rain headin this way, out of Texas and Cajunland. Rain, Rain, Good Rain,,,,, cuhulin |
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Hating Palin
On Jul 25, 9:14*pm, dave wrote:
John Poet wrote: On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote: On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote: now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance Report: Bush surveillance program was massive And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist"..... Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities. No future president will give up any of the autocratic powers Bush amassed. Moreover, Congress, during the Bush years, has proved itself to be as servile as the People's Consultative Congress of China. Get used to an autocratic future, folks. |
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Hating Palin
Quit yer whining ya crybaby.
"Barry" wrote in message ... Hating Palin By Ben Voth As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a quitter who cannot take the heat. It seems like the 'heat' has been more like hate -- maybe we are dealing with a simple spelling error? Journalism has gotten rather weak of late. A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the campaign. Months after the losing campaign was over, a major comedian joked about the fictitious rape of one of her daughters. Immediately after the election, her church was burned. It's fairly difficult to reconcile this 'heat' as something conventional in politics. In fact, there might be some good reason to collectively indict Palin critics for their silent complicity. This would go a long way to explain why many in the public seem more drawn to Palin after the resignation and the absurd media reactions to it. Keep in mind that these incidents remain unrepented public attacks. The media refused to offer much comment on the burning of Palin's church -- a silence which conveyed an implied endorsement of that attack. Imagine if Obama had lost the election and Jeremiah Wright's church had been burned. Where would the punditry be? Given the peculiar failure of pundits to "understand" her July 3 statement, it is useful to return to the actual text of her statement. With such attention we can discover some of the possible confusion of pundits and reveal the largely ignored messages contained in Governor Palin's statement. Most interesting is the discussion about her children: "In fact, this decision comes after much consideration, and finally polling the most important people in my life -- my children (where the count was unanimous... well, in response to asking: ‘Want me to make a positive difference and fight for ALL our children's future from OUTSIDE the Governor's office?' It was four "yes's" and one "hell yeah!" The "hell yeah" sealed it - and someday I'll talk about the details of that... I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults recently.) Um, by the way, sure wish folks could ever, ever understand that we ALL could learn so much from someone like Trig -- I know he needs me, but I need him even more... what a child can offer to set priorities RIGHT -- that time is precious... the world needs more ‘Trigs', not fewer." The mocking of a disabled child, Trig Palin, must stand out as one of the most uniquely cruel and despicable contemporary trends of American politics. [ http://liberalfascism.nationalreview...BlZDdkMWY1NjY= ] Could this be what Bill Clinton envisioned when he asked the nation to bring to an end the politics of personal destruction in the 1990s? It is clear that the entire Palin family would like to broaden their advocacy beyond the borders of Alaska. What is also clear is that pulsing at the center of Media contempt toward Palin is not simply stated positions on abortion but real life actions that are so striking and meaningful that they enrage a pretentious political community [Liberal Fascists] feigning interest in "women's rights." Palin was one of the rare political figures recently courageous enough to defend Carrie Prejean -- another conservative woman who "needed" to lose her job for speaking her mind on gay marriage. While Republicans stood around and stared at their political feet, and Democrats cheered from the sideline, Prejean was treated to a vicious rhetorical stoning in the national media. Palin stepped into the fray and in defense of another strong conservative woman. It is rather easy to see how Palin envisions trading her provincial limits of Alaska for a national pedestal on such transparent political problems confounding our culture. Palin's conclusion utilized a quotation from Douglas MacArthur -- an American general famously dismissed by Democrat President Harry Truman. Truman's dismissal of MacArthur and the ensuing public controversy did great damage to Truman's public credibility. Despite his rogue disposition, MacArthur continued through his rebuttals to secure a place in history as a tough fighter on the military battlefield as well as the political battlefield. Here again pundits seem to miss the rhetorical boat about the larger fight Palin will bring in the next campaign after an apparent "defeat in the Philippines" of 2008. Consider further the unique context of current events. Michael Jackson is revered at his funeral as someone who really knew how to love children -- unlike Sarah Palin who the Huffington Post reported would be running on the "more retardation platform" in 2012. [ http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...ation-platform ] Governor Sanford gets a slap on the wrist from his Republican colleagues and pundits agree -- he should not expect to resign. Could life be more absurd? Punditry confusion over Palin's decision and statement is a strategy to absolve critics of their low moral stature in observing the despicable cultural conduct toward Governor Palin and her family. After all, America's political punditry does have an informal role as referee. Some partisans were not unafraid to suggest that Palin had crossed the line when she accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists." It was in their view inappropriate and excessive. The failure to fairly call the playing field of American politics has rightly left the American public observing an obscene scene of political mayhem. The scene clearly disgusts and offends the public across the political spectrum. According to the current commentators, all of the events since August 2008 are some sort of confused nightmare from which we in the electorate can now awaken and come to our senses. Nothing really happened since there was not a "real" candidate in Governor Palin. For some in the politically elite class, such absurd rationalizations will work, but for a sizable component of the public who saw in Palin their own cultural and political fortunes, these comments will serve as further fuel for their partisan fires. I suspect that many journalists watching their market shares evaporate and their shareholders sell, are aware that the American public is not sad to witness their collective demise. The stony silence among the media class about the hateful vitriol dispensed upon Governor Palin and her family has not gone unnoticed in the public. Whatever the future of Governor Palin, it's a safe bet that her political career will last longer than a great many pundits who make themselves complicit in this disgraceful conduct of American politics and culture. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...ing_palin.html The best source of correct opinions for Liberals and Progessives: http://www.thepeoplescube.com |
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Hating Palin
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Barry
wrote: Hating Palin By Ben Voth As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a quitter who cannot take the heat. The media is now admitting they picked on Sarah and ignored what Biden said. The Dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** |
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Hating Palin
"duke" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Barry wrote: Hating Palin By Ben Voth As a communication professional I have largely been at a loss to explain the judgments being drawn about Governor Palin by allegedly expert pundits. The general meme from pundits is that Palin is a quitter who cannot take the heat. The media is now admitting they picked on Sarah and ignored what Biden said. Anyone who lies about Obama "paling around with terrorists" deserves everything she gets. |
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