nurk_fred2000 wrote:
Chu-Baka wrote...

"...smoked dope since 1968 and I bet I've got a higher IQ than you
do...as for the Meth Labs, excute anyone associated with them on
sight; bullet to the head..."
(or some such verbage)

FN writes...

Chu-Baka...The Distinguish Troll Society hereby crowns you the
Distinguished Buffoon of rec dot radio/swave...thought we had it all
sewed up with ph.dufi but he flew the coup so here's your Dunce Cap
Award...go sit in the corner and face the wall...why do you think they
call it Dope...???...hey, go ahead and take out all the meth lab
druggies, cocain snorters, herion users that pass on HIV, and all the
dope smokers too, including YOURSELF!!!!...:-)

Because, *moron* alcohol is more damaging, drunk drivers kill more than
any other group, and even lighting a cigarette takes attention away from
driving.
If you for the campaign of one William Randolph Hearst It wouldn't be
illegal, alcohol would.

Do your history if you can type that in.

Bill Baka

Oh yeah.....PLONK!

Bracelet lost in World War Two returns home.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32926922/ns/us_news-life

A Good story, a Good read.
cuhulin

On Sep 19, 4:39*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
nurk_fred2000 wrote:
Chu-Baka wrote...

"...smoked dope since 1968 and I bet I've got a higher IQ than you
do...as for the Meth Labs, excute anyone associated with them on
sight; bullet to the head..."
(or some such verbage)

FN writes...

Chu-Baka...The Distinguish Troll Society hereby crowns you the
Distinguished Buffoon of rec dot radio/swave...thought we had it all
sewed up with ph.dufi but he flew the coup so here's your Dunce Cap
Award...go sit in the corner and face the wall...why do you think they
call it Dope...???...hey, go ahead and take out all the meth lab
druggies, cocain snorters, herion users that pass on HIV, and all the
dope smokers too, including YOURSELF!!!!...:-)

Because, *moron* alcohol is more damaging, drunk drivers kill more than
any other group, and even lighting a cigarette takes attention away from
driving.
If you for the campaign of one William Randolph Hearst It wouldn't be
illegal, alcohol would.

Do your history if you can type that in.

Bill Baka

Oh yeah.....PLONK!- Hide quoted text -

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***thank you for your hostile reply...I know the Distinguished Troll
society will be sooooo thrilled...Listen DOPE HEAD...you pot smokers
are part of the problem, not part of the solution. and choose insrtead
to point the finger at the alcohol industry laying blame at William
Randolph Hearsts feet (may he R.I.P)...Oh, you've never been
drunk...?...what a loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrr you are, a two faced
blowhard....LISTEN DOPE HEAD...I'll spell it out for you...Dope is
ILLEGAL and contributes negatively on society and is a stepping stone
drug...you want to shoot meth lab people on sight, you said it...shoot
pot growers on sight as well...go "off" yourself Dorfman...:-)

Bill Baka wrote:
Because, *moron* alcohol is more damaging, drunk drivers kill more than
any other group, and even lighting a cigarette takes attention away from
driving.
If you for the campaign of one William Randolph Hearst It wouldn't be
illegal, alcohol would.

Do your history if you can type that in.

Bill Baka

Oh yeah.....PLONK!


All stimulants and depressants are damaging, it's just how much you take
that's the issue.

Neither of these are more damaging than the other. They do damage to
different parts of the body is all. Both are addictive, although you
can overdose if you eat cannabis.

Saying alcohol OR weed is harmless is foolish, we're adults we can hurt
ourselves as much as we want to... as long as it's legal to do so. Weed
isn't legal.

I have children and I like to set an example for them. I don't take
anything that's illegal, and I'm not a criminal, I don't break the law,
and am not a repeat offender like those that drive above the speed limit.

If you choose to go outside the law of your country, then you take a
risk. There's no point complaining about it until the laws change.




Regards Charles

Chilla wrote:
Bill Baka wrote:
Because, *moron* alcohol is more damaging, drunk drivers kill more
than any other group, and even lighting a cigarette takes attention
away from driving.
If you for the campaign of one William Randolph Hearst It wouldn't be
illegal, alcohol would.

Do your history if you can type that in.

Bill Baka

Oh yeah.....PLONK!


All stimulants and depressants are damaging, it's just how much you take
that's the issue.

Amen. I took a whole box of No-Doze 100% caffeine back in 1969 to drive
from L.A. to Sacramento, then San Jose, then back to L. A. by which time
I was ready to die. And yet it is legal in coffee.

Neither of these are more damaging than the other. They do damage to
different parts of the body is all. Both are addictive, although you
can overdose if you eat cannabis.

I have never had someone tell me about an LD/50 for cannabis, I don't
think you can physically eat that many brownies.

Saying alcohol OR weed is harmless is foolish, we're adults we can hurt
ourselves as much as we want to... as long as it's legal to do so. Weed
isn't legal.

Weed isn't legal simply due to the efforts of one William Randolph
Hearst. He did it to sell newspapers as far back as 1914.
Do some history.



I have children and I like to set an example for them. I don't take
anything that's illegal, and I'm not a criminal, I don't break the law,
and am not a repeat offender like those that drive above the speed limit.

Do you smoke or drink? Those are even worse habits to pass on.

If you choose to go outside the law of your country, then you take a
risk. There's no point complaining about it until the laws change.




Regards Charles

Unfortunately the government is too far ahead of us to even think
revolution.

Bill Baka

I smoke like a choo choo Train, cigarette tobacco I buy at a tobacco
store, I hand roll my own cigarettes.I quit the booze last February.I
never have messed around with dope or drugs.I drink tons of coffee (a
spoon of instant non-decaffenated coffee in a cup of water, no sweetner
or anything else) every day and night.I guess tobacco and caffein
really are drugs.
cuhulin

wrote:
I smoke like a choo choo Train, cigarette tobacco I buy at a tobacco
store, I hand roll my own cigarettes.I quit the booze last February.I
never have messed around with dope or drugs.I drink tons of coffee (a
spoon of instant non-decaffenated coffee in a cup of water, no sweetner
or anything else) every day and night.I guess tobacco and caffein
really are drugs.
cuhulin

Well dimwit, the tobacco will kill you faster than the pot, which I
again mention only because I smoke it to sleep. I don't get up and have
a joint, nor one at lunch, just bedtime and I am out in 5 minutes. My
doctor even agrees with me that the pot is far less harmful then the
prescriptions she is allowed to hand out.

Now,
Please work on both your English and your spell checker. I came from a
family of writers (myself included as a technical writer) and reading
your posts is painful.

Bill Baka

Sometimes I misspell and type goofy on purpose, because I like to and I
think it is Cute!
Lighten up, Life is short!

Say, I wants my eyelashes to grow longer, just like some of them wimmins
with Lonnnnng sexy lookin eyelashes.Ask your doctor woman can she wrote
me a prescription for that stuff I have seen in tv commercials that
makes wimmins (I am not a wimmin, I am a dude) eye lashes grow
longer.Tell her I will sing and dance at her wedding.
cuhulin

wrote:
Sometimes I misspell and type goofy on purpose, because I like to and I
think it is Cute!
Lighten up, Life is short!

Unfortunately you drive an English major (me, at home) nuts.
Something like "Did you see that Helconopter almost hit that
algonator?". I do it sometimes too, talking, just to see if the person
even notices I am messing with them. Those who think I am a retard I
avoid, and those who get the word play I can talk to.

Say, I wants my eyelashes to grow longer, just like some of them wimmins
with Lonnnnng sexy lookin eyelashes.Ask your doctor woman can she wrote
me a prescription for that stuff I have seen in tv commercials that
makes wimmins (I am not a wimmin, I am a dude) eye lashes grow
longer.Tell her I will sing and dance at her wedding.
cuhulin

I don't know if you are helpless or not. When I was a teen to twenty
something I had very thick eyelashes and the girls thought it was sexy.
I don't know why, but they did.
Another mystery of life.

Bill Baka

Bill Baka wrote :
Chilla wrote:
Bill Baka wrote:
Because, *moron* alcohol is more damaging,

Correct.

drunk drivers kill more than any other group,
(of substance users)
Correct.

and even lighting a cigarette takes attention away from driving.

That's a stretch, and contra the momentary diversion of attention when
lighting up is the fact that nicotine *enhances* attention:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/01/030114072413.htm

Mobile phone use is a far more attention-diverting hazard for drivers.

All stimulants and depressants are damaging, it's just how much you take
that's the issue.

It's somewhat more complicated than that, though dose-dependence of
harm is part of the picture.

Amen. I took a whole box of No-Doze 100% caffeine back in 1969 to drive
from L.A. to Sacramento, then San Jose, then back to L. A. by which time I
was ready to die. And yet it is legal in coffee.

. . . and in No-Doz ;~)

Actually, most all stimulants used for maintaining wakefulness take
their toll on users, though some modern 'atypical' stimulants such as
modafinil and related drugs have a minimum of bad cumulative and
after-effects.

Neither of these are more damaging than the other

Untrue. Chronic usage of alcohol is far more damaging to many more
organs than any harm resulting from cannabis

They do damage to different parts of the body is all.

Also untrue. There is no part of the body that chronic or acute
high-dosage consumption of alcohol does not damage.

This is not so for cannabis, and most of the damage associated with
cannabis usage derives from the method of ingestion, i.e., from
inhalation of the vapors of burning leaves ('weed') or of compressed
'resins' (hashish)--just as the damage from nicotine consumption also
derives from smoking the 'legal weed'

Both are addictive, although you can overdose if you eat cannabis.

That's not true (no oral cannabis fatality has ever been documented)
and your omission of the fact that it is really not all that difficult
to ingest a lethal does of alcohol to die is rather telling of bias.

I have never had someone tell me about an LD/50 for cannabis, I don't think
you can physically eat that many brownies.

You can not.
Let's get technical here, okay?

The relevant factor is what is called the 'safety ratio,' which is an
expression of how many multiples of the dosage needed for intoxication
must be administered to cause death.

For alcohol it is 10 (1/10th the amount needed to kill you will get you
soused)

For heroin it is 6 (and intravenous usage common by addicts makes for
greater likelihood of overdosage of heroin users as of drinkers,
particularly as alcohol enters the bloodstream rapidly from the
stomach, so except for binge drinkers, adolescent (of any age)
'challenge' drinkers, and suicidal drinkers, acute death from alcohol
is a far less frequent outcome than among users of heroin)

For delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marihuana's primary
psychoactive molecule, the safety ratio is 1000. One thousand.

It is *possible* to intravenously administer that much purified THC,
but getting one's hands on that amount outside one of the few research
facilities that even have any in stock would need some very good 'home
chemistry' and *quite* a large amount of cannabis to work with.

Forget about trying to eat sufficient brownies to die from ;~)

But don't believe me. Read this peer-reviewed paper, published a few
years ago in "Addiction," (http://www.addictionjournal.org/):

http://web.cgu.edu/faculty/gabler/toxicity%20Addiction%20offprint.pdf

Saying alcohol OR weed is harmless is foolish, we're adults we can hurt
ourselves as much as we want to... as long as it's legal to do so. Weed
isn't legal.

Actually, in many nations, consumption and possession of small amounts
of 'weed' has been decriminalized.

In over a dozen States in the 'Land of the Free' marihuana is legal
with a prescription:
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/v...ourceID=000881

Charles, your IP appears to be in New South Wales.
Marihuana's illegal there, but it's my understanding that less than
30gm of the leaf is not indictable. Am I wrong?

Weed isn't legal simply due to the efforts of one William Randolph Hearst.
He did it to sell newspapers as far back as 1914.
Do some history.

It's not simply because of Hearst, though he certainly was a major
contributor to marihuana prohibition in the U.S.

some history:
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/...juana-illegal/

Cheers,
-maxwell