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"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.


That doesn't change the physics.

Are we studying physics...or how to have a healthy prosperous industry.

I would dare to say, that those that held onto mono broadcasting on FM...are
not running prosperous stations now.

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"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

Station.
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Have you ever tried to listen to HD-2 in a moving car?

Yes, every day. I enjoy it!



You must enjoy silence.

i dont know about you...but i don't get silence on my hd car radio. sounds
great!

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On Oct 9, 2:38*pm, dave wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.

Stereo destroys FM coverage. *Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.

That doesn't change the physics.

Dang Dave you are right : Physics is Physics :
People have Two Ears and generally prefer FM
"Stereo" Radio cause it sounds B E T T E R .

FM Stereo Radio
FM Stereo Headphone Radio {Walkman}
Stereo Cassette Player
Stereo CD Player
Stereo iPod Player
Yeah 'Stereo' Matches Up with Human Physics.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.
And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.

That doesn't change the physics.

Are we studying physics...or how to have a healthy prosperous industry.

I would dare to say, that those that held onto mono broadcasting on FM...are
not running prosperous stations now.


I preferred radio when it was run by eccentric individuals. Stations
made enough money to pay the bills, and did much better radio. The
6/6/6 rule worked real well.

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~ RHF wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:38 pm, dave wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.
Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.
And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.
That doesn't change the physics.

Dang Dave you are right : Physics is Physics :
People have Two Ears and generally prefer FM
"Stereo" Radio cause it sounds B E T T E R .

FM Stereo Radio
FM Stereo Headphone Radio {Walkman}
Stereo Cassette Player
Stereo CD Player
Stereo iPod Player
Yeah 'Stereo' Matches Up with Human Physics.
.


It sounds better on headphones if you are within 30 miles of the
transmitter maybe. Stereo reduces the S to N by 23 dB.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and
virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. The audio quality is nothing to write
home about either. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. My wife & I
listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are
fewer choices on the dial.

Dave B.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they
think it's weak signal. Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid
60's. Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. My wife & I listen to web radio more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


"Dave Barnett" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. The audio quality is nothing to write home
about either. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. My wife & I listen to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices
on the dial.

Dave B.

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On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and southern Illinois.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

No argument there. I'm just saying that stations have listeners outside
their protected contours. I volunteer at a local non-comm and we have
many subscribers who listen well outside our protected contour. Not
only do they listen, but they donate money. That surely says something.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


I live sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area and sometimes in Pioneer,
CA (in the Sierras) In my case the interference happened on these
frequencies:

107.5 KPIG - used to be receivable throughout the South Bay until 107.7
in San Francisco turned on HD
95.9 KRSH - we used to listen to them at home before 95.7 turned on HD,
generally too weak to hear in a car.
91.5 KKUP - used to be receivable way up the peninsula and into Oakland
before 91.7 turned on HD
89.5 KVMR - used to be receivable throughout Sacramento until 89.3
turned on HD

KKUP and KVMR actually receive interference inside their protected
contours, and inside their city of license, due to terrain shielding and
power/HAAT discrepancy issues. Another instance where the FCC is
completely blind to the real world.

Interestingly enough, a few years ago I had a fence built and some
extensive landscaping done. The guys doing the work were complaining
that they couldn't get KPIG anymore no matter where they were on a job.
They were using a better-than-average boom box, but nothing special.
One of them was fiddling with the antenna and got a hint of the
station's audio, buried in digital carriers. He said - "nope, it
doesn't work here either" and they switched to the local classic rock
station. I knew why, but of course they had no idea. That's only an
example of one. Maybe the only one. But I find it interesting.

I firmly believe that this will shake out one way or the other. Either
with an expanded radio band, better digital accesss, ipv6 multicast, UDP
with forward error correction, etc. There are a lot of ways looming on
the horizon for creative people to be heard. Meanwhile, we do what we can.

Dave B.