On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote:



On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7....

You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them
for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the
hospital.

Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area.

The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws
and Rules of the Mayor and City Council.

So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management.

The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING.
-example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the
County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on
Your Property.
$100K Property Value =$1K Lien
$250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien

Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.]

~ RHF
*.

- Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements
- to help each other out.

"The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement"
with the County; because the County does NOT have
a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this
Un-Incorporated Area :
* This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's"
* This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated
Area's Fault -Not- "The City's"

What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/
Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire
Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County
Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.]
* A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement"

-*No self-respecting fire chief would have done
- what this jerk did.

Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one
of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire
Equipment gets damaged.

The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for
'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules.

Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners
Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .

~ RHF

On Oct 9, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote:





On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote:

On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7...

You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them
for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the
hospital.

Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area.

The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws
and Rules of the Mayor and City Council.

So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management.

The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING.
-example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the
County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on
Your Property.
$100K Property Value =$1K Lien
$250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien

Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.]

~ RHF
*.

- Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements
- to help each other out.

"The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement"
with the County; because the County does NOT have
a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this
Un-Incorporated Area :
* This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's"
* This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated
Area's Fault -Not- "The City's"

What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/
Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire
Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County
Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.]
* A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement"

-*No self-respecting fire chief *would have done
- what this jerk did.

Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one
of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire
Equipment gets damaged.

The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for
'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules.

Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners
Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .

~ RHF
*.
*.

This goes to the very heart of why a private organization should never
be hired to provide an essential service more properly rendered by a
government agency. Private companies are mercenary and cannot be
trusted to do the right thing when the need arises, because money
speaks louder than either decency or duty. If a town or city hires
for this kind of work, the contract must be done right or else the job
will be done wrong. This issue NEVER should have arisen at all - if
the guy did not pay his bill for services, a lien should have been
placed on his house and the money should haver been collected so that
there could have been no excuse. Not fighting the fire could have
resulted in a disaster worse than fighting it. IMHO, there is plenty
of blame to go around here, and I would not be surprised if this winds
up in court and that blame is apportioned among many players.

On Oct 9, 6:19*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Oct 9, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:



On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote:

On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7...

You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them
for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the
hospital.

Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area.

The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws
and Rules of the Mayor and City Council.

So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management.

The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING.
-example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the
County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on
Your Property.
$100K Property Value =$1K Lien
$250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien

Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.]

~ RHF
*.

- Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements
- to help each other out.

"The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement"
with the County; because the County does NOT have
a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this
Un-Incorporated Area :
* This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's"
* This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated
Area's Fault -Not- "The City's"

What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/
Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire
Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County
Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.]
* A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement"

-*No self-respecting fire chief *would have done
- what this jerk did.

Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one
of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire
Equipment gets damaged.

The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for
'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules.

Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners
Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .

~ RHF
*.
*.

This goes to the very heart of why a private organization should never
be hired to provide an essential service more properly rendered by a
government agency. *Private companies are mercenary and cannot be
trusted to do the right thing when the need arises, because money
speaks louder than either decency or duty. *If a town or city hires
for this kind of work, the contract must be done right or else the job
will be done wrong. *This issue NEVER should have arisen at all - if
the guy did not pay his bill for services, a lien should have been
placed on his house and the money should haver been collected so that
there could have been no excuse. *Not fighting the fire could have
resulted in a disaster worse than fighting it. *IMHO, there is plenty
of blame to go around here, and I would not be surprised if this winds
up in court and that blame is apportioned among many players.

BpnJ - ? What Private Organization ?

READ and Get All The Facts
-or- Don't The Facts Matter ?

Tennessee Fire Ignites National Debate on Public Services
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/re...ices/19665148/

It was and is "The City"s Fire Department that
followed the City's Laws, Rules and Regulations
-wrt- Fire Services in the "Non-City" County Areas.

Fault the County Commissioners and Voters

Fault the City : The Mayor and City Council and
the Voters in the City.

Hey Why Not 'fault' Prez Obama

Please Don't "Fault" the Firemen ~ RHF

On 10/10/2010 7:07 AM, RHF wrote:

...
-ps- ? What Lawsuit ?
The Home Owner Did NOT Pay the Fire Services Fee
and had NO Legal Right To Expect Fire Services [.]
.
-pps- Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home
Owners Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .
.
.

Get me on the jury, I am in for a little jury nullification on this one!

I certainly hope those firemen are fired quickly and never serve in that
capacity again ... their superiors need the charges brought against them
.... in this case, I can't see where full restitution with serious prison
terms are anything less than ABSOLUTELY necessary ...

Graft, corruption and the criminals have trickled down and now fill
every nook and cranny like cockroaches!

http://www.apfn.org/pdf/citizen.pdf

Regards,
JS