On Feb 7, 8:02*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:20*am, RHF wrote:



On Feb 6, 8:30*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 6, 6:35*pm, RHF wrote:

On Feb 6, 1:04*pm, m II wrote:

On 11-02-06 12:39 PM, dave wrote:

On 02/06/2011 10:31 AM, dxAce wrote:

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology& Design.
Because all those jobs are in China and India these days. Teach your
kids nursing or air conditioning repair.

Let's not forget the fast growing fields of Motel management, taxidermy
or locksmithing. Parents who are too stupid to give value to a College
education should really consider the alternatives.

Anyone too dumb to get a Locksmithing certificate could always get into
the Navy, I suppose. From what I hear, being Gay, while not mandatory,
helps you get accepted immediately.

- All things considered,
- A College graduation seems preferable.
- mike

But What Does Any Cohesive Society Need to be a
well balance and fully functioning Nation of People :
as low as 25%?; an ever 50%? or as much as *75%?
College Educated Individuals ?

For every Teacher you need a Supermarket Clerk.

For every Lawyer you need a several Policemen.

For every Doctor you need a few Plumbers.

For every Engineer you need a few Carpenters.

For every Scientist you need a few Garbagemen.

For every Journalist you need a many Retail Clerks.

For the many many Hungry you need a few Farmers.

For every Government Employee you need a Tens of Tax Payers.

Generally the number of Individuals needed by a
Nation/Society to have an Over-Educated Cadre
to in the over-all 'mixed' of Educated, Skilled and
un-skilled members of that Nation/Society is
around 15% [~1-in-7].

The Individual's Want/Desire for an Education;
Income and Status -versus- A Nation/Societies
Need/Requirement for Appropriate Numbers of
Educated, Skilled and un-skilled members of that
Nation/Society to have a Very Efficient and Fully
Functioning Society that is beneficial to all it's
constituent members.

-read- Study :
Students Need More Paths to Career Success
{Living a Good Productive Rewarding Life}http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/02...d-paths-career...
-by- Christine Armario -source- Associated Press
The current U.S. Education System is failing to prepare
Tens of Millions of young Adults a Year for Successful
Careers {Meaningful Lives} by providing a One-Size-Fits-All
approach, and it should take a Cue from its European
counterparts by offering greater emphasis on Occupational
Instruction.
*.
and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
*.
*.

No doubt, you need people who are not just the highly skilled and
talented - but everyone needs a decent living too. *It's pretty hard
to survive on a grocery clerk's wage here in California...or a
teacher's, for that matter. *I know quite a few who are struggling
right now, and many are seeing their wages drop.

What I think is seriously screwed up is that movie people (actors,
directors) and sports figures and other quite nonessential people get
gabillions of sheckels while the teachers and trash collectors and
small farmers have to scrape by on whatever salaries they can get. *I
like a good movie as much as the next guy - but on balance, I'd rather
have my kid get a good education (which he is getting, thankfully,
despite the gross disparities).

Hollywood : Talent Follows the Money
-and- Money Follows the Talent ~ RHF

The Key Thing is an Education System that Teaches
from a very early age to the last day of school that Each
and Every Person-in {Citizen-of} a Society is Honored
and Respected for Their Individual Contributions :
{Greater Expectations and a More Diverse Outcome}
A College Education Is NOT For All :
NOT Going To College Does Not Make You A Failure :
A Good Life Is A Good Life :
Meaningful Work Has Meaning :
Everyone is Important.
-yes-it-is-that-simple- ~ RHF
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- I guess it depends on the person. *
- AFAIC, work is just a means to an end.
-*40 hours a week of bleccch so that the other
- 128 hours can be decent.
-*Family, friends and avocations are what make life worthwhile.

Happy-R-Us : Having a Productive Meaningful Good Life
-versus- The Quest for Status and Money
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7f5542fbcbea3b

It's Better 'Nicer' To Go Through Life Doing Something
That You Like Doing* - imho ~ RHF

* Being Able To Smile and Call It Work )
-hey-i-can't-believe-i-get-paid-for-doing-this-;;-}}-

On Feb 6, 9:35*pm, RHF wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:04*pm, m II wrote:





On 11-02-06 12:39 PM, dave wrote:

On 02/06/2011 10:31 AM, dxAce wrote:

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology& Design.
Because all those jobs are in China and India these days. Teach your
kids nursing or air conditioning repair.

Let's not forget the fast growing fields of Motel management, taxidermy
or locksmithing. Parents who are too stupid to give value to a College
education should really consider the alternatives.

Anyone too dumb to get a Locksmithing certificate could always get into
the Navy, I suppose. From what I hear, being Gay, while not mandatory,
helps you get accepted immediately.

- All things considered,
- A College graduation seems preferable.
- mike

But What Does Any Cohesive Society Need to be a
well balance and fully functioning Nation of People :
as low as 25%?; an ever 50%? or as much as *75%?
College Educated Individuals ?

For every Teacher you need a Supermarket Clerk.

For every Lawyer you need a several Policemen.

For every Doctor you need a few Plumbers.

For every Engineer you need a few Carpenters.

For every Scientist you need a few Garbagemen.

For every Journalist you need a many Retail Clerks.

For the many many Hungry you need a few Farmers.

For every Government Employee you need a Tens of Tax Payers.

Generally the number of Individuals needed by a
Nation/Society to have an Over-Educated Cadre
to in the over-all 'mixed' of Educated, Skilled and
un-skilled members of that Nation/Society is
around 15% [~1-in-7].

The Individual's Want/Desire for an Education;
Income and Status -versus- A Nation/Societies
Need/Requirement for Appropriate Numbers of
Educated, Skilled and un-skilled members of that
Nation/Society to have a Very Efficient and Fully
Functioning Society that is beneficial to all it's
constituent members.

-read- Study :
Students Need More Paths to Career Success
{Living a Good Productive Rewarding Life}http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/02...d-paths-career...
-by- Christine Armario -source- Associated Press
The current U.S. Education System is failing to prepare
Tens of Millions of young Adults a Year for Successful
Careers {Meaningful Lives} by providing a One-Size-Fits-All
approach, and it should take a Cue from its European
counterparts by offering greater emphasis on Occupational
Instruction.
*.
and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
*.
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RHF,

I agree totally. But today's occupational instruction must be far more
detailed and technical, requiring career education and training far
beyond high school, if the US is to stay competitive with the rest of
the world. Top needs include: Technological repair, robotics, CAD, IT
networking & security, advanced math, and info management skills. We
need more of those degrees than we do poetry majors.

Mike Bryant,
the anti-Lare

On 11-02-07 05:12 AM, Mike wrote:

Ah, Steve Lare, RRS's own Demosthenes....


Demosthenes? Demosthenes Lareos? Isn't that the ancient Greek who got
booted out of the Navy for gross misconduct? Seems he was using mirrors
to focus sunlight on the clothing of his fellow mariners, when the
scorched garments were removed, he could see how well they were endowed.

Then, he'd walk up to them with his unlit lantern and ask for a light.
Millennia later, the pick up phrase "Got a light, Sailor?" can still be
heard on waterfronts worldwide.

On a related note, the phrase "Larengitis" also appears in the ancient
Greek. It's named after the same sailor. He would develop severe throat
infections immediately after landing in a port. Every time. When his
Captain found out just HOW this was happening, he had 'σας φυσώ' Lareos
thrown off the ship. The word has been mutated into Laryngitis over the
centuries.

The Greeks have had an extremely difficult time trying to overcome the
foul reputation this pervert has bestowed on their navy and Sailors.



mike

Mike "I'm a college professor with a PhD" Bryant wrote:

On Feb 6, 9:35 pm, RHF wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:04 pm, m II wrote:





On 11-02-06 12:39 PM, dave wrote:

On 02/06/2011 10:31 AM, dxAce wrote:

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology& Design.
Because all those jobs are in China and India these days. Teach your
kids nursing or air conditioning repair.

Let's not forget the fast growing fields of Motel management, taxidermy
or locksmithing. Parents who are too stupid to give value to a College
education should really consider the alternatives.

Anyone too dumb to get a Locksmithing certificate could always get into
the Navy, I suppose. From what I hear, being Gay, while not mandatory,
helps you get accepted immediately.

- All things considered,
- A College graduation seems preferable.
- mike

But What Does Any Cohesive Society Need to be a
well balance and fully functioning Nation of People :
as low as 25%?; an ever 50%? or as much as 75%?
College Educated Individuals ?

For every Teacher you need a Supermarket Clerk.

For every Lawyer you need a several Policemen.

For every Doctor you need a few Plumbers.

For every Engineer you need a few Carpenters.

For every Scientist you need a few Garbagemen.

For every Journalist you need a many Retail Clerks.

For the many many Hungry you need a few Farmers.

For every Government Employee you need a Tens of Tax Payers.

Generally the number of Individuals needed by a
Nation/Society to have an Over-Educated Cadre
to in the over-all 'mixed' of Educated, Skilled and
un-skilled members of that Nation/Society is
around 15% [~1-in-7].

The Individual's Want/Desire for an Education;
Income and Status -versus- A Nation/Societies
Need/Requirement for Appropriate Numbers of
Educated, Skilled and un-skilled members of that
Nation/Society to have a Very Efficient and Fully
Functioning Society that is beneficial to all it's
constituent members.

-read- Study :
Students Need More Paths to Career Success
{Living a Good Productive Rewarding Life}http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/02...d-paths-career...
-by- Christine Armario -source- Associated Press
The current U.S. Education System is failing to prepare
Tens of Millions of young Adults a Year for Successful
Careers {Meaningful Lives} by providing a One-Size-Fits-All
approach, and it should take a Cue from its European
counterparts by offering greater emphasis on Occupational
Instruction.
.
and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
.
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

RHF,

I agree totally. But today's occupational instruction must be far more
detailed and technical, requiring career education and training far
beyond high school, if the US is to stay competitive with the rest of
the world. Top needs include: Technological repair, robotics, CAD, IT
networking & security, advanced math, and info management skills.

OR, one could just LIE about having that advanced education, right Mikey?

m II wrote:

On 11-02-07 05:12 AM, Mike wrote:

Ah, Steve Lare, RRS's own Demosthenes....

Demosthenes? Demosthenes Lareos? Isn't that the ancient Greek who got
booted out of the Navy for gross misconduct? Seems he was using mirrors
to focus sunlight on the clothing of his fellow mariners, when the
scorched garments were removed, he could see how well they were endowed.

Then, he'd walk up to them with his unlit lantern and ask for a light.
Millennia later, the pick up phrase "Got a light, Sailor?" can still be
heard on waterfronts worldwide.

On a related note, the phrase "Larengitis" also appears in the ancient
Greek.

The phrase "Dumbass Canuck" appears in the modern American lingo.

On Feb 7, 12:37*pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike "I'm a college professor with a PhD" Bryant wrote:





On Feb 6, 9:35 pm, RHF wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:04 pm, m II wrote:

On 11-02-06 12:39 PM, dave wrote:

On 02/06/2011 10:31 AM, dxAce wrote:

And, as always, don't let your children attend the Sullivan College of
Technology& Design.
Because all those jobs are in China and India these days. Teach your
kids nursing or air conditioning repair.

Let's not forget the fast growing fields of Motel management, taxidermy
or locksmithing. Parents who are too stupid to give value to a College
education should really consider the alternatives.

Anyone too dumb to get a Locksmithing certificate could always get into
the Navy, I suppose. From what I hear, being Gay, while not mandatory,
helps you get accepted immediately.

- All things considered,
- A College graduation seems preferable.
- mike

But What Does Any Cohesive Society Need to be a
well balance and fully functioning Nation of People :
as low as 25%?; an ever 50%? or as much as *75%?
College Educated Individuals ?

For every Teacher you need a Supermarket Clerk.

For every Lawyer you need a several Policemen.

For every Doctor you need a few Plumbers.

For every Engineer you need a few Carpenters.

For every Scientist you need a few Garbagemen.

For every Journalist you need a many Retail Clerks.

For the many many Hungry you need a few Farmers.

For every Government Employee you need a Tens of Tax Payers.

Generally the number of Individuals needed by a
Nation/Society to have an Over-Educated Cadre
to in the over-all 'mixed' of Educated, Skilled and
un-skilled members of that Nation/Society is
around 15% [~1-in-7].

The Individual's Want/Desire for an Education;
Income and Status -versus- A Nation/Societies
Need/Requirement for Appropriate Numbers of
Educated, Skilled and un-skilled members of that
Nation/Society to have a Very Efficient and Fully
Functioning Society that is beneficial to all it's
constituent members.

-read- Study :
Students Need More Paths to Career Success
{Living a Good Productive Rewarding Life}http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/02...d-paths-career...
-by- Christine Armario -source- Associated Press
The current U.S. Education System is failing to prepare
Tens of Millions of young Adults a Year for Successful
Careers {Meaningful Lives} by providing a One-Size-Fits-All
approach, and it should take a Cue from its European
counterparts by offering greater emphasis on Occupational
Instruction.
*.
and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

RHF,

I agree totally. But today's occupational instruction must be far more
detailed and technical, requiring career education and training far
beyond high school, if the US is to stay competitive with the rest of
the world. Top needs include: Technological repair, robotics, CAD, IT
networking & security, advanced math, and info management skills.

OR, one could just LIE about having that advanced education, right Mikey?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, you know I am professor, Steve. Remember calling my Dean? What a
loser! What did they say when you told them I lied? They still laugh
at that attempt.

On Feb 7, 1:24*pm, dxAce wrote:
m II wrote:
On 11-02-07 05:12 AM, Mike wrote:

Ah, Steve Lare, RRS's own Demosthenes....

Demosthenes? Demosthenes Lareos? Isn't that the ancient Greek who got
booted out of the Navy for gross misconduct? Seems he was using mirrors
to focus sunlight on the clothing of his fellow mariners, when the
scorched garments were removed, he could see how well they were endowed..

Then, he'd walk up to them with his unlit lantern and ask for a light.
Millennia later, the pick up phrase "Got a light, Sailor?" can still be
heard on waterfronts worldwide.

On a related note, the phrase "Larengitis" also appears in the ancient
Greek.

The phrase "Dumbass Canuck" appears in the modern American lingo.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We shouldn't tax Steve's limited supply of retorts.

On Feb 7, 3:09*pm, RHF wrote:

College Higher Education is as Service Business With a
Limited Set of Customers and a Long {Years} Production
Cycle : It' In Itself Can NOT Drive and Fuel an Economy [.]
It Is A Means To An End : A Productive Nation/Society
Proving Meaning Careers and Employment for It's People :
Where All 'Feel' It's A Good Life and a Fair Society.


FYI, Roy, I teach at a technical training institute. Specifically,
I instruct them in the communication skills necessary for a
technical service economy. Technology and communication skills
are exactly what WILL drive this economy. This is the means to
an important end.

What are you doing for a better tomorrow, besides cluttering up
Usenet?

Mike

On Feb 7, 1:33*pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike wrote:

We shouldn't tax Steve's limited supply of retorts.

I'm tax free

And intellect free, also!

On Feb 7, 3:44*pm, Mike wrote:
On Feb 7, 3:09*pm, RHF wrote:



College Higher Education is as Service Business With a
Limited Set of Customers and a Long {Years} Production
Cycle : It' In Itself Can NOT Drive and Fuel an Economy [.]
It Is A Means To An End : A Productive Nation/Society
Proving Meaning Careers and Employment for It's People :
Where All 'Feel' It's A Good Life and a Fair Society.

FYI, Roy, I teach at a technical training institute. Specifically,
I instruct them in the communication skills necessary for a
technical service economy. Technology and communication skills
are exactly what WILL drive this economy. This is the means to
an important end.

- What are you doing for a better tomorrow,
- besides cluttering up Usenet?
-
- Mike

MWB,

Hopefully staying out of the way of all those truly
Good Hard Working Americans : Who should be
doing something for a Better Tomorrow . . .
{o: Building A Better America }