On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:37:54 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John
wrote:

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.

We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.

The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.


Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...

Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
immanent Apocalypse.

I think all here
can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
insane remark and embarrass you ...

The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
spouting this crackpot revisionist history.

The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
escape, alive!

Why not?


Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
you even noticed it going on?

They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
What was the purported motive here?

I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
you ask them and get back to us here?

IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
admission.

We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
interests ...

Who did you have in mind?

President on down to local officials ...

No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
Please, enlighten everyone.

On 4/25/2011 1:07 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:37:54 -0700, John
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John
wrote:

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.

We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.

The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.


Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...

Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
immanent Apocalypse.


Preaching bull**** is no crime. Murdering people is. I know this might
be shocking to people who would have us do away with free speech.

I think all here
can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
insane remark and embarrass you ...

The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
spouting this crackpot revisionist history.


The same was being said at the very time the Waco massacres were going
on ... a search on the way back engine should produce ample evidence of
this.

The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
escape, alive!

Why not?


Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
you even noticed it going on?

They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
What was the purported motive here?


Really? Sick psychotic murders frequently baffle even the most astute
psychiatrists as to their motives ... often you find these sickos as
dictators of nations ...

I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
you ask them and get back to us here?

IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
admission.


Random senseless murders are done for many reasons, some easy to scam up
a motive for, some not ... just the sheer show of force and being able
to get away with the mass murder helps the government subdue the
populations girly-men and powder-puff-bull-dykes. Not to mention that
unstable personalities enjoy murder for the sake of sheer murder ... if
you are powerful in government, you have henchmen do it for you, as
sadam and his sones, and libyas' ruler are accused of ... for recent
examples. These sickos find positions in our government just as good as
a platform as foreign governments.

We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
interests ...

Who did you have in mind?

President on down to local officials ...

No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
Please, enlighten everyone.

Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Regards,
JS

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:17:05 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 1:07 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:37:54 -0700, John
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John
wrote:

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.

We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.

The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.


Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...

Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
immanent Apocalypse.


Preaching bull**** is no crime.

Of course it isn't. Just curious, though: you don't see a connection
here between Koresh's Apocalyptic preaching, and what his followers
say were his actions at the end of the siege?

Murdering people is. I know this might
be shocking to people who would have us do away with free speech.

Who advocated doing away with free speech?

I think all here
can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
insane remark and embarrass you ...

The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
spouting this crackpot revisionist history.


The same was being said at the very time the Waco massacres were going
on ... a search on the way back engine should produce ample evidence of
this.

Sorry, but the only massacre perpetrated was by David Koresh against
his own followers.

The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
escape, alive!

Why not?


Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
you even noticed it going on?

They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
What was the purported motive here?


Really?

Yes, really.

Sick psychotic murders frequently baffle even the most astute
psychiatrists as to their motives ... often you find these sickos as
dictators of nations ...

IOW, you can't provide any sort of motive for the purported actions of
the Government, yet somehow it's them, and not a classic loon like
Koresh, who perpetrated the massacre.

Yeah, that's credible.

I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
you ask them and get back to us here?

IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
admission.


Random senseless murders are done for many reasons, some easy to scam up
a motive for, some not ... just the sheer show of force and being able
to get away with the mass murder helps the government subdue the
populations girly-men and powder-puff-bull-dykes. Not to mention that
unstable personalities enjoy murder for the sake of sheer murder ... if
you are powerful in government, you have henchmen do it for you, as
sadam and his sones, and libyas' ruler are accused of ... for recent
examples. These sickos find positions in our government just as good as
a platform as foreign governments.

Wow. Paranoid much?

We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
interests ...

Who did you have in mind?

President on down to local officials ...

No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
Please, enlighten everyone.

Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up he you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).

Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?

On 4/25/2011 2:11 PM, raven1 wrote:

...
Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up he you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).

Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:15:37 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 2:11 PM, raven1 wrote:

...
Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up he you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).

Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

Yes, actually.

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

And you think which was the motive here?

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

On 4/26/2011 6:58 AM, raven1 wrote:

...
Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

Yes, actually.

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

And you think which was the motive here?

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

The facts and data surrounding Waco only prepared us for the future crimes.

The next false flag operation may enslave us, or set of a real
revolution. It only depends if enough know what has been going on.

A single video, waco rules of engagement, pushes Waco far above a simple
conspiracy!

Regards,
JS

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:46:20 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/26/2011 6:58 AM, raven1 wrote:

...
Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

Yes, actually.

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

And you think which was the motive here?

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

The facts and data surrounding Waco only prepared us for the future crimes.

How so?

No, really, I'm interested in your "logic" here.

The next false flag operation may enslave us, or set of a real
revolution. It only depends if enough know what has been going on.

A single video, waco rules of engagement, pushes Waco far above a simple
conspiracy!

Regards,
JS