"John Smith" wrote in message
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On 9/29/2011 8:35 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 29.09.2011 08:25, schrieb John Smith:
On 9/28/2011 10:12 PM, Scout wrote:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 28.09.2011 23:05, schrieb Gray Guest:
Thomas wrote in news:9eh1fuFakeU1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 28.09.2011 01:29, schrieb John Smith:
.410 buck (or a choice), .357/.38 ....

good obama blaster, criminal public servant controller, etc. Could
stop
'em from stealing you SW radio, golf clubs, other guns, or save
your
arse when you wake up to the conspiracy and the conspirators want
you
silenced!

Civil war in the US would be really terrible. (And I have doubt,
that
such handguns would be the weapons of choice.)

Better would be to prevent havoc.

I think, that violence isn't the right way. People would better
try to
reacquire control about all elements of the society: the
communities,
politics, education, health-care, nutrition, transportation,
military
and even entertainment.

In all these fields, there are people involved, that do not want
their
country destroyed. But there are also 'bad guys', that like misery,
violence, sickness and dirt.

If you want nicer people, you had to clean your (personal!)
environment,
remove the rubble, overpaint the graffiti, disallow drug
trafficking,
rethink education, watch less tv, cook your own food, walk, smile -
but
don't carry a gun around.

To regain control you need to start with local affairs and
reorganise,
what is in reach. Do not let any dubious character have any
influence on
any public office. To identify such persons is difficult, but some
characteristics you certainly don't want to have at - say - a
teacher.
For example membership in any sort of 'secret society' is definitely
not acceptable or massive tattoos, drug consume, sexual disorder,
known
violence or extremistic political opinions.

Such persons are generally a threat to more 'usual' people, because
they
are too boring for their sick brains.


TH


The resort to violence however is sometimes thrust upon people. The
evil,
the criminal and the aggressor has their own aganda. No amount of
conciliation can deter them, only answering kind with kind.

You are refered to the 1930s for an example of wooly headed peace
with
honor stupidity and where it led. Had Europe stood up to Hitler any
time
between 1936 and 1938 the conflagaration of 1939 to 1945 could have
been
avoided.

Sometimes a small amount of preemptive violence is preferable to
large
amounts of avoidable violence.


The armament of the American society is most likely the greatest
stumbling block for globalistic self-proclaimed fascistic elite.

But these arms are not to be used, because in a real fight, the
professionals are better off than you with a handgun.

That assumes many things which aren't necessarily true.




I don't know, personal experience has taught me that there are quick
fixes.

The biggest bully in the world, if I can get access to him, when he is
away from his gang, and I with the proper tool(s), can be fixed in damn
short order ... cut off the head, the snake dies, it may wither a bit,
but it dies ...

A gun is a fabulous tool, however, experience, cunning, stealth,
intelligence, purpose, motivation, etc., these are all equally important
... a single man with the "righteousness of God" in his heart and soul
can be an amazing thing to witness -- a group of such men brought the
whole british empire to its' knees and established America ... masters,
in fear of their slaves, will always down play the importance of even a
single man, let alone the awesome powers which exist in a group of such
men, men who were not born to be slaves simply ignore their whining ...
most men know what they are, they have already looked into the core of
their being and know what exists there ... a coward, or not ...

Well, I understand what you mean, but this is not, what I wanted to say.
(If you intend to fight a real fight against armoured vehicles, than you
need a little more 'punch' than a handgun.)
I do not understand the idea itself. How could people consider this
could be necessary?

I'm German, but I'm really interested in this question, because it seems
not very plausible to me, that people feel, they need to defend
themselves against the own government.




You Germans are supposed to be excellent engineers, no one there can make
a flame thrower big enough to incinerate vehicles? IUD's to take them off
the road? Devices to roast pigs in a Kevlar vest?

I agree, those fancy tanks and SWAT vehicles would need to be taken out
quickly and put 'em on their feet. A section of drilling pipe, with a
simple explosive charge and big cast lead slug should make it though those
bullet proof windows, etc. Some cleverly twisted pieces of tool steel
metal tossed out in front of the tank tracks should be able to wind up in
them and slow/stop them. My gawd man, the American forefathers, the
"terrorists" in iraq and iran, afghanistan, etc. can come up some great
ideas, are fine German engineers to be outdone? It will be the
helicopters which will take a bit of thought and experimenting ...

V-cong. Plant a number of thin pools around potential LZs wire grenades to
the poles and run lines between the poles. When the down draft starts wiping
the poles around, it pulls the pin, *bang*, one damaged or downed helo.

I think something like the bird traps which use projectiles to fire a net
over an area, but do the same thing with light wire hooked into heavier
gauge stuff. Once the rotor pulls in enough around the rotor head....well
that's the end of that helo.


But, peaceful revolution first, then anyway possible ... and don't forget
waiting, getting the leaders into vulnerable positions, isolated from the
main group, stealth, cunning, poisons, etc.

Remember the earth pits of vietnam with sharpened bamboo spikes which had
been urinated on -- scared the bejesus up and was an excellent
psychological weapon, and effective too ... snares to snap a mans neck ...
where there is a will, there is ALWAYS a way ... it is VERY DIFFICULT to
take any nation where the citizens have a will and weapons. They must
break the peoples will or it is a no-go. The real danger is in government
programs to mentally enslave the populations, get them used to be
unquestioning slaves, brainwashed, feminized males, etc.

Regards,
JS