On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:03:04 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

So you have nothing...


I got a nut claiming mac is cutting edge and going to take over the
world lol ... indeed, seems to be a couple of 'em!

Do you have quotes of such?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote:
In , - Lloyd E Parsons
spouted !

On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:









In ,
. net
wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have
found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the
platform
...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who
believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...

Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am
retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC,
it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked
hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I
think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than
Windows
from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold
computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as
you
can
for
Windows
or for Linux.

Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run
their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone,
or
even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make
hardware
and
Microsoft
doesn't?

Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track,
the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same
bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the
fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ...
evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any
crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I
mean,
like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what
you do
not
must be a fool...

It's a cultural standard, today.

Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ...
the
PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...

Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high
res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean
...
do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac

snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.

LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about
that.

That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which
DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers
and
have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip"
on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac

non-tech-r-i ~ RHF
.
.

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya
gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux
you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you
can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.

However, they are often willing to buy component built systems because
they
are better or cheaper than named PC packages.

A very few people.

You keep saying that, but a simple check of eBay, nevermind the retail sales
of motherboards would clearly challenge that assertion.

So what exactly do you have to show that it's only "very few people" that
have a component built system?


Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.


--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

"John Smith" wrote in message
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On 10/15/2011 7:22 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/13/2011 8:16 PM, Tankfixer wrote:
In , - Lloyd E Parsons
spouted !

On 10/13/11 7:56 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:49 pm, John wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:









In ,
. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have
found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the
platform ...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who
believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...

Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's,
is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am
retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a
MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has
worked hard
in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I
think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than
Windows from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold
computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as
you can
for
Windows
or for Linux.

Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run
their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone,
or even
an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make
hardware and
Microsoft
doesn't?

Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track,
the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same
bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the
fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ...
evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of
any crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I
mean, like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in
what you do
not
must be a fool...

It's a cultural standard, today.

Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ...
the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...

Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a
high res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean
... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.


http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac

snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.

LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about
that.

That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers
and have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip"
on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

For the Non-Techies : PC -vs- Mac

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...pare/pc-vs-mac

non-tech-r-i ~ RHF
.
.

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.

However, they are often willing to buy component built systems because
they are better or cheaper than named PC packages.
Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.



It has been my experience, you run into a real dyed-in-the-wool-fool and
all bets are off!

Seems to me, I've run into a Religious fanatic (ie the Church of Mac) and
anything that's contrary to his doctrine must be wrong.

"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:22:53 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

However, they are often willing to buy component built systems because
they
are better or cheaper than named PC packages.
Quite a few people make a living supplying people with such systems
customized to their specific desires.

Most of my computers have been those. But the local stores that made
my computers have all closed and not been replaced.

True, it's largely moved to mail order since that way you don't have the
overhead of a store front, or if you do maintain a store front, it's just to
pick up the occasional sale while you're processing the bulk of your
business through internet orders.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:40:51 -0600, Howard Brazee
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:03:04 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

So you have nothing...


I got a nut claiming mac is cutting edge and going to take over the
world lol ... indeed, seems to be a couple of 'em!

Do you have quotes of such?

Howard, when are you going to realize that this dolt is the biggest
effing idiot online? Pick a subject, any subject, and he's FOS about
it.

BK

"John Smith" wrote in message
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On 10/15/2011 12:44 PM, Scout wrote:


"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:12:02 -0400, "Scout"
wrote:

No, their desktop market is growing, just not as fast as their laptop
market.

Sorry, they are selling more desktops because of an expanding market,
but
their share in that expanding market is decreasing.

Other arguments in this thread have been claiming a shrinking desktop
market. Which arguments are correct?

Both.

Desktop computers last longer nowadays before becoming obsolete for
most functions. And there are more and better alternatives to
desktop computers than there used to be.

Yep, but the alternatives are most expensive, less durable, limited in
upgrade options, and generally poorer performance than a comparable
desktop.



Yes, what the world needs is a generic platform for the laptop, where as
much choice of components is available as in the desktop/tower platform
... proprietary chit is always crap ...

Except the conditions of a laptop are utterly different than a desktop.

Thus the different processors, etc.

In a desktop, power usage isn't a big deal, but in a laptop every watt used
matters since it impacts battery life.
In a desktop, weight isn't an issue since it's not going anywhere, but in a
laptop lighter is better as heavy laptops don't sell as well
In a desktop, you don't have to worry so much about size. A 3.5" drive is
fine, but in a laptop you have to go with the smallest form factor you can
to cut down on size and weight.
In a desktop you can make it more durable because size, weight and power
usage aren't a big concern, a laptop on the other hand needs to shave
everything to the absolute minimum and thus durability suffers.
In a desktop you can hold your CPU at a moderate temperature, by using a big
heavy heat sink and having a rather large fan blowing air over it, in a
laptop, you've only got so much room for the heat sink, and you can't make
it any heavier than absolutely necessary, and you don't want to run the fan
unless you absolutely have to (battery life), so generally your laptop CPU
runs hot, damn hot, burning hot, which isn't so great for CPU life.

They are just different horses with utterly different requirements. The
Desktop is the Clydesdale, while a laptop is a pony. Sure the pony can do
most the stuff the Clydesdale can do....by working like hell doing it....but
it's going to wear that pony out that much quicker. Size, weight, power use,
heat, and so on DEFINE the limits of what a laptop is and can do. Thus
laptops will always be more limited in nature than a desktop.

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/15/2011 5:46 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that.

a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number.

Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales.

BFD

No, no.

Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all
personal computers sold in the last quarter.


I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete
computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and
friends
computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you
can
see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total
PC market ...

You are welcome to present evidence that computers purchased as
components and then assemble form any significant fraction of personal
computer sales...


Don't have to, anyone not living under a rock knows it ... it is
self-apparent ... one would have to stick their head in a hole to miss
it.

Regards,
JS

So you have nothing...

He has what I've already presented, and which you have chosen to utterly
ignore because it doesn't conform to what you wish to assert.

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Scout" wrote:

"Lloyd E Parsons" wrote in message
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On 10/15/11 10:46 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/15/2011 8:41 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:

...
I don't think you or I will live long enough to see the 'year of the
mac' if that is defined as Apple being the dominant tech provider.
Not
going to happen.

But the 'year of the Mac' has already happened in the upscale tech
market with consumers with a few bucks.



Yes, I am sure many are heroes in their own mind, have saved the
world,
dominate the markets ... and it would be evil to destroy their
fantasies
... roflol

Still, one must keep a foot in reality ...

Regards,
JS

In business, the reality is growing your sales and profits. In that,
it
has been the year of the Mac for quite awhile now. You are free to
talk
about what volumes of sales are out there in wintel/linux world, but
that
is being done at pathetic profit levels.

Overall, desktop sales on all platforms is down as more go to laptops.
Primarily because laptops now have enough performance for almost all
applications and the prices are down quite a bit. Heck for all the
bitching about Apple's prices, laptops with similar specifications and
build quality are all pretty much the same in cost.

Apple just doesn't do cheap laptops.

Which is why Apple sells only a small fraction of the number of laptops
sold. PC dominates over Mac even in the laptop market


But Apple makes most of the profit...

:-)

Shows they overprice their goods....

Not exactly a positive thing from the view point of anyone looking at buying
their products.

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

LOL! MS for a non-techie, balanced comparison of the two! Ya gotta
love it!!

But keep in mind, if you buy a Mac you have both a solid OSX (unix)
machine as well as a great Windows box too! A twofer!

Or you can buy a bare drive PC and load whatever version of Linux you
want and save a $1000 ...

Or, you can just grap the components, build your own for 400 bucks, or
under ... building your own, shopping sales, ebay, newegg, etc. you
can
put together a decent gaming computer for a grand!

I realize that the zealot in you will prevent you from grasping this,
but...

...most people have no interest in building their own computers.


Oh, much worse than that, they don't even wish to own a decent one, the
ones buying macs are proof enough of that ...

No.

That they are buying Macs is proof they work well for normal people.

Hmmm.... and component built systems work 4 times as well.

So what's your point?

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote:

"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:00:47 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs

I don't see what academia use, I don't see what most companies use.
But I do see what people have in coffee houses - and there are lots of
Macs there.

That's about where you're going to find them since 3/4 of Macs being sold
are the laptops. The Mac desktop market keeps shrinking.


No, Scout:

THE desktop market keeps shrinking.

Cite?