On 12/18/2011 10:29 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

...
The next time a candidate for President says that if he is elected he
will bankrupt the coal industry, pay attention before you vote for him.

Geoff.


After obama, it would seem logical to consider shooting the next one ...
a prison cell would take care of obama -- and there are numerous reasons
for such actions!

While true, obama is no worse than any of the crooked presidents,
beginning with nixon, and including ALL of them since ... these crooks
are getting old, and our wallets and standard of living unable to afford
more of them.

Regards,
JS

On 12/19/2011 12:08 PM, MotoFox wrote:
And it came to pass that John Smith delivered the following message unto
the people, saying~

After obama, it would seem logical to consider shooting the next one ... a
prison cell would take care of obama -- and there are numerous reasons for
such actions!

It'll never happen. We're still waiting for Bu$h to rightfully have his
ass handed to him in Gitmo, but we know that'll never happen either.

So, don't hold your breath.....


I am for shipping him off to a country who knows how to try him as a war
criminal!

Regards,
JS

On 12/18/2011 9:24 PM, MotoFox wrote:
And it came to pass that Joe from Kokomo delivered the following message
unto the people, saying~

Why is George Bush's CFL law "stupid"? (you do realize that the CFL bill
was signed into law by George W. Bush).

Ever tried to DX near a compact fluorescent light, or within the vicinity
of a power system that has a bunch of them on it?

Try doing that--go ahead, try it--then tell me if you still think it's
not stupid.

1) Yes, as a matter of fact I do DX near CFLs -- and I have no problems
with numerous CFLs and four foot fluorescent tubes in the ham shack.

2) In any event, with 700,000 hams out of a population of 300 million,
that's only .2% that are hams. Again, the savings in the use of foreign
oil, the reduction in mercury emissions that we ALL breathe and the
savings in YOUR electric lighting bill would seem to offset the fraction
of the .2% that are hams that DX. It seems you would like to have the
tail wag the dog...and to me, that's stupid.

MotoFox wrote:

Much as I hate it myself, I do have to give compact fluorescent lighting
props for two things, though--(1) their heat output is far lower than
that of an incandescent bulb and (2) the light output is considerably
better than any LEDs I've ever seen. Personally, I can't figure out why
anyone would want these harsh blue LEDs polluting their houses, ...

That's not the fault of LEDs. LEDs like flourecent lights produce light
in a few different colors. Combining those colors into what you see as
white is done in your brain, and the proportion of those colors affects
what you see it as.

More blue and it looks like the daytime sky (hence the floursecent lamps
called daylight) and more red looks like fire light (hence the flourescent
lamps called warm white).

Early CFLs (around 15 years ago, when I first got them) were all daylight
and produced harsh unusable light. I could only use them outdoors and
in windowless rooms where cheap was more important than color.

Now it is easy to get warm CFLs and they are much more agreeable than
the old blue/green heavy ones the past.

LEDs will also move in that direction as people demand them.

Note that the color affects the way people think, and cool lights make them
more "edgy" which is good if you want people to work harder. Warm lights
make people feel more comfortable and mellow, which is better for homes,
etc.

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

On 12/19/2011 12:09 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
MotoFox wrote:

Much as I hate it myself, I do have to give compact fluorescent lighting
props for two things, though--(1) their heat output is far lower than
that of an incandescent bulb and (2) the light output is considerably
better than any LEDs I've ever seen. Personally, I can't figure out why
anyone would want these harsh blue LEDs polluting their houses, ...

That's not the fault of LEDs. LEDs like flourecent lights produce light
in a few different colors. Combining those colors into what you see as
white is done in your brain, and the proportion of those colors affects
what you see it as.

More blue and it looks like the daytime sky (hence the floursecent lamps
called daylight) and more red looks like fire light (hence the flourescent
lamps called warm white).

Early CFLs (around 15 years ago, when I first got them) were all daylight
and produced harsh unusable light. I could only use them outdoors and
in windowless rooms where cheap was more important than color.

Now it is easy to get warm CFLs and they are much more agreeable than
the old blue/green heavy ones the past.

LEDs will also move in that direction as people demand them.

Note that the color affects the way people think, and cool lights make them
more "edgy" which is good if you want people to work harder. Warm lights
make people feel more comfortable and mellow, which is better for homes,
etc.

Geoff.



I never have liked "warm white", always preferred "cool white" and now
that daylight bulbs are just as cheap, I prefer them also, so does the
wife ... and the dim-able fluorescent are nice for room lighting.

Have never noticed light really affecting my mood, or anyone else, for
that matter, but I know people with mental problems are having all sorts
of people attempt to manipulate them with light, colors, food, drugs,
etc. -- any prison or mental hospital and you will find examples ...

All I notice is others home appear dim to me, when bathed in warm white ...

Regards,
JS

On Dec 19, 9:09*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 12/19/2011 12:09 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:









MotoFox wrote:

Much as I hate it myself, I do have to give compact fluorescent lighting
props for two things, though--(1) their heat output is far lower than
that of an incandescent bulb and (2) the light output is considerably
better than any LEDs I've ever seen. Personally, I can't figure out why
anyone would want these harsh blue LEDs polluting their houses, ...

That's not the fault of LEDs. LEDs like flourecent lights produce light
in a few different colors. Combining those colors into what you see as
white is done in your brain, and the proportion of those colors affects
what you see it as.

More blue and it looks like the daytime sky (hence the floursecent lamps
called daylight) and more red looks like fire light (hence the flourescent
lamps called warm white).

Early CFLs (around 15 years ago, when I first got them) were all daylight
and produced harsh unusable light. I could only use them outdoors and
in windowless rooms where cheap was more important than color.

Now it is easy to get warm CFLs and they are much more agreeable than
the old blue/green heavy ones the past.

LEDs will also move in that direction as people demand them.

Note that the color affects the way people think, and cool lights make them
more "edgy" which is good if you want people to work harder. Warm lights
make people feel more comfortable and mellow, which is better for homes,
etc.

Geoff.

I never have liked "warm white", always preferred "cool white" and now
that daylight bulbs are just as cheap, I prefer them also, so does the
wife ... and the dim-able fluorescent are nice for room lighting.

Have never noticed light really affecting my mood, or anyone else, for
that matter, but I know people with mental problems are having all sorts
of people attempt to manipulate them with light, colors, food, drugs,
etc. -- any prison or mental hospital and you will find examples ...

All I notice is others home appear dim to me, when bathed in warm white ....

Regards,
JS

My Moose-out-on-a-Limb friends -say-
It Is Better To Curse In The Darkness
-then-to- Read the Koran under CFL Bulbs :
Christian inFidal Light [Bulbs]

blessed are the holy in-can-descents
illuminating the path to energy jihad
praise be the name of ed-Ison ~ RHF

On 12/20/2011 10:22 PM, MotoFox wrote:
And it came to pass that John Smith delivered the following message unto
the people, saying~

I never have liked "warm white", always preferred "cool white" and now
that daylight bulbs are just as cheap, I prefer them also, so does the
wife ... and the dim-able fluorescent are nice for room lighting.

Yeah, I pretty much have to use "warm white" or "soft white" myself, in
the one lamp where I actually *do* have a compact fluorescent unit
installed (my "tech lab" outpost, in my Mum's basement.) I find they're
better for reading under than the "daylight" ones, which are a bit too
harsh for my almost 29-year old eyes.

On the other hand, Mum uses the "daylight" lights in the outside fixtures,
and they seem to work great out there.....


You make an excellent point, when I was younger, I could almost read a
newspaper in the dark of night ...

I think as you get older, you will appreciate the daylight bulb for work
.... wife uses them for knitting, quilting and crochet -- to the
exclusion of any and all others ... I have made a high power blue white
LED light attached to her sewing machine, she also likes it ...
especially with a black or dark thread on dark material.

Regards,
JS

On Dec 18, 8:24*pm, MotoFox confucius-
Try doing that--go ahead, try it--then tell me if you still think it's
not stupid.

It has been clinically proven that florescent lighting causes
psychological problems for many people. Autistic and Asperger syndrome
individuals are particularly vulnerable because they can actually see
the flicker rate of the bulbs which causes excruciating migraine
headaches. Thank goodness these poor folks have been given a reprieve.

On 12/18/2011 7:57 PM, Truth Teller wrote:
On Dec 18, 8:24 pm, MotoFoxconfucius-
Try doing that--go ahead, try it--then tell me if you still think it's
not stupid.

It has been clinically proven that florescent lighting causes
psychological problems for many people. Autistic and Asperger syndrome
individuals are particularly vulnerable because they can actually see
the flicker rate of the bulbs which causes excruciating migraine
headaches. Thank goodness these poor folks have been given a reprieve.

It seems there is at least one type of mental illness, and possibly a
whole range of them, where everything is clinically proven to
worsen/cause their condition, or the worsening of that/those condition(s.)

Oh well, guess they need to man up and get ready for a rocky ride ...

Regards,
JS

I personally would never consider using incandescent bulbs again. I
switched to CFL bulbs a long time ago. I can't really even remember
the last time I had to replace one. They last soooo much longer! They
do not generate any (ANY) RFI, even when they're in close proximity to
your radio gear. The law can say anything it likes so far as I'm
concerned....just so long as it doesn't make it harder for me to get
CFL bulbs!