AJG,

"No that is not my point. It is that Bush did not do his duty
back then. He drew on family connections to help him out, like
many people likely did."

So then what do you say about former president Clinton using his
personal 'connections' to help himself out to "Avoid Any" Miitary
Service (and Vietnam) and Clinton's active dislike for the US
Military ?

What Say You AJG ?

Are You Honest and Consistant AJG ?

I Want To Know ~ RHF
..
..
= = = (Alan J Giddings)
= = = wrote in message . com...
No that is not my point. It is that Bush did not do his duty back
then. He drew on family connections to help him out, like many people
likely did. It's just that most of them don't go about in a bellicose
manner.
Regards,
Alan
"CW" wrote in message ...
There was a little Army post in Ethiopia. That's where I was during Vietnam.
In your mind everyone that was stationed there, or anywhere else, during
that time was a draft dodger, right?

"Alan J Giddings" wrote in message
om...
I often get confused but Bush did not go to Vietnam like many of his
generation, did he?
Regards,Alan
N8KDV wrote in message
...
Alan J Giddings wrote:

I take your point but perhaps what I meant to say is that deaths of
soldiers only matter when it's election time. Do you know the famous
photograph of Dwight D. Eisenhower taken at Greenham Common airbase in
England on the 5th June 1944? I know he was not a president at the
time but the photograph clearly shows how he feels. He's looking his
men in the eye asking them to do their duty but knowing full well many
will be die. I think it shows an understanding of what was in store
for those brave airborne soldiers and his sincerity shines through.
Bush the draft dodger

Where is your *proof* that Bush is a draft *dodger*?

I think you might be a bit confused with your usage of the word.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

How's that? By joining the national guard? I didn't realize that the
national guard was such an elite organization, only for the rich and famous.
What's the membership fee? Maybe you mean that anyone who joins the military
when there is a draft is a draft dodger. How about all those guys that
joined the military during the civil war, WW1, WW2, and Korea. They were all
draft dodgers, right?


"Alan J Giddings" wrote in message
om...
No that is not my point. It is that Bush did not do his duty back
then. He drew on family connections to help him out, like many people
likely did. It's just that most of them don't go about in a bellicose
manner.
Regards,
Alan

CW wrote:

How Did Bush dodge military service? By serving in the military? That makes
a lot of sense.

Stop playing dumb. Bush avoided the risk of serving in Vietnam by using
his father's influence to get him into the National Guard where he
effectively disappeared for about a year.


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That's horse**** and you know it.
"longwave" wrote in message
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CW wrote:

How Did Bush dodge military service? By serving in the military? That
makes
a lot of sense.

Stop playing dumb. Bush avoided the risk of serving in Vietnam by using
his father's influence to get him into the National Guard where he
effectively disappeared for about a year.


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RHF wrote:

AJG,

So Using Your Logic.

AJG - Should WJ Clinton have been excluded from becoming President of
the USofA for Not going to Vietnam or Serving in the US Military ?

AJG - Should WJ Clinton as President of the USofA, have "Recused"
himself from All Military Decisions ?
+ And 'had' Vice-President Al Gore Make All Military Decisions - Because:

* Al Gore DID Serve in the US Military. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Go To Vietnam. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Serve His Country With Honor. [ FACT ]

I disagree with this last bullet. Gore served a very short
stay as a *reporter*. Didn't like being a reporter in Viet
Nam and so he used his father's influence to get him the
hell out of there. And Bush is no better.

Rich dudes dodging war is nothing new. But when a poor boy,
like Clinton, pulls it off, you kinda got to cheer him on.

--
M2

M2,

Of the Three Mentioned 'my personal ranking'
on Military Service to one's Country would be:

1. Al Gore = Regular Army + Vietnam
WP-AL-GORE-ARMY-VIETNAM= http://tinyurl.com/ytvhm

2. GW Bush = Texas ANG + Fighter Pilot

4. WJ Clinton = NO SHOW + Tour in England as an Anti-War Protestor


On "BALLS" then 'my personal ranking would be:

1. BIG BALLS = GW Bush for being a Fighter Pilot.

2. Balls = Al Gore a Army Reporter in Vietnam.

4. NO balls = WJ Clinton an Anti-War Protestor in England.


FWIW: Concerning all three of the above men and their
Public Service in Elected Office.

When WJ Clinton was President - He was MY President [.]

When Al Gore was Vice-President - He was MY Vice-President [.]

Now that GW Bush is President - He is MY President [.]

TBL: Respect the Office and the Men Who Serve in It.


ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
..
..
= = = Michael Moore
= = = wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

AJG,

So Using Your Logic.

AJG - Should WJ Clinton have been excluded from becoming President of
the USofA for Not going to Vietnam or Serving in the US Military ?

AJG - Should WJ Clinton as President of the USofA, have "Recused"
himself from All Military Decisions ?
+ And 'had' Vice-President Al Gore Make All Military Decisions - Because:

* Al Gore DID Serve in the US Military. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Go To Vietnam. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Serve His Country With Honor. [ FACT ]

I disagree with this last bullet. Gore served a very short
stay as a *reporter*. Didn't like being a reporter in Viet
Nam and so he used his father's influence to get him the
hell out of there. And Bush is no better.

Rich dudes dodging war is nothing new. But when a poor boy,
like Clinton, pulls it off, you kinda got to cheer him on.

RHF wrote:

M2,

Of the Three Mentioned 'my personal ranking'
on Military Service to one's Country would be:

1. Al Gore = Regular Army + Vietnam
WP-AL-GORE-ARMY-VIETNAM= http://tinyurl.com/ytvhm

2. GW Bush = Texas ANG + Fighter Pilot

4. WJ Clinton = NO SHOW + Tour in England as an Anti-War Protestor

On "BALLS" then 'my personal ranking would be:

1. BIG BALLS = GW Bush for being a Fighter Pilot.

2. Balls = Al Gore a Army Reporter in Vietnam.

4. NO balls = WJ Clinton an Anti-War Protestor in England.

FWIW: Concerning all three of the above men and their
Public Service in Elected Office.

When WJ Clinton was President - He was MY President [.]

When Al Gore was Vice-President - He was MY Vice-President [.]

Now that GW Bush is President - He is MY President [.]

TBL: Respect the Office and the Men Who Serve in It.

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
.
.
= = = Michael Moore
= = = wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

AJG,

So Using Your Logic.

AJG - Should WJ Clinton have been excluded from becoming President of
the USofA for Not going to Vietnam or Serving in the US Military ?

AJG - Should WJ Clinton as President of the USofA, have "Recused"
himself from All Military Decisions ?
+ And 'had' Vice-President Al Gore Make All Military Decisions - Because:

* Al Gore DID Serve in the US Military. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Go To Vietnam. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Serve His Country With Honor. [ FACT ]

I disagree with this last bullet. Gore served a very short
stay as a *reporter*. Didn't like being a reporter in Viet
Nam and so he used his father's influence to get him the
hell out of there. And Bush is no better.

Rich dudes dodging war is nothing new. But when a poor boy,
like Clinton, pulls it off, you kinda got to cheer him on.

Having read that, I think I've got balls! That's a good feeling!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

"Michael Moore" wrote in message
...

[snip]

Rich dudes dodging war is nothing new. But when a poor boy,
like Clinton, pulls it off, you kinda got to cheer him on.

--
M2



You should be aware of the allegation that Bill Clinton is the
illigimate son of Winthrop Rockefeller and, as such, is the great
grandson of John D. Rockefeller.

I think I got that one from Pastor David J. Smith.

Frank Dresser

N8KDV wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

M2,

Of the Three Mentioned 'my personal ranking'
on Military Service to one's Country would be:

1. Al Gore = Regular Army + Vietnam
WP-AL-GORE-ARMY-VIETNAM= http://tinyurl.com/ytvhm

2. GW Bush = Texas ANG + Fighter Pilot

4. WJ Clinton = NO SHOW + Tour in England as an Anti-War Protestor

On "BALLS" then 'my personal ranking would be:

1. BIG BALLS = GW Bush for being a Fighter Pilot.

2. Balls = Al Gore a Army Reporter in Vietnam.

4. NO balls = WJ Clinton an Anti-War Protestor in England.

FWIW: Concerning all three of the above men and their
Public Service in Elected Office.

When WJ Clinton was President - He was MY President [.]

When Al Gore was Vice-President - He was MY Vice-President [.]

Now that GW Bush is President - He is MY President [.]

TBL: Respect the Office and the Men Who Serve in It.

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
.
.
= = = Michael Moore
= = = wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

AJG,

So Using Your Logic.

AJG - Should WJ Clinton have been excluded from becoming President of
the USofA for Not going to Vietnam or Serving in the US Military ?

AJG - Should WJ Clinton as President of the USofA, have "Recused"
himself from All Military Decisions ?
+ And 'had' Vice-President Al Gore Make All Military Decisions - Because:

* Al Gore DID Serve in the US Military. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Go To Vietnam. [ FACT ]

* Al Gore DID Serve His Country With Honor. [ FACT ]

I disagree with this last bullet. Gore served a very short
stay as a *reporter*. Didn't like being a reporter in Viet
Nam and so he used his father's influence to get him the
hell out of there. And Bush is no better.

Rich dudes dodging war is nothing new. But when a poor boy,
like Clinton, pulls it off, you kinda got to cheer him on.

Having read that, I think I've got balls! That's a good feeling!


So Does . . . the Junior Senator from New York: Hillary Clinton :o)


Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

RHF wrote:

M2,

Of the Three Mentioned 'my personal ranking'
on Military Service to one's Country would be:

1. Al Gore = Regular Army + Vietnam
WP-AL-GORE-ARMY-VIETNAM= http://tinyurl.com/ytvhm

2. GW Bush = Texas ANG + Fighter Pilot

4. WJ Clinton = NO SHOW + Tour in England as an Anti-War Protestor


On "BALLS" then 'my personal ranking would be:

1. BIG BALLS = GW Bush for being a Fighter Pilot.

2. Balls = Al Gore a Army Reporter in Vietnam.

4. NO balls = WJ Clinton an Anti-War Protestor in England.

Hey, what happenned to number 3?


--
M2