DEE wrote:

Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.


Sound: If you listen mostly with headphones, either is great. If
you like to listen mostly with speakers, the "as-it-comes" sound of the
Grundig is great. The Icom's built-in speaker is of afterthought
quality, but any external speaker works well with it.

If you like listening to mainstream broadcast SW, you'd be perfectly
happy with the Grundig. If you like best-possible reception abilities
with a good antenna, (serious DX) the Icom comes out well ahead. If you
like to do a lot of CW/RTTY listeningk the Icom gets the nod, but if you
are a really SERIOUS CW/RTTY person, you'd need some additional filters
for the Icom for best performance.

Tony


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I have both, which I bought as novice, a couple of years ago (and
overzealously added BC 780 (scanner), and Sony 7800 GR (portable)...

I agree with Tony M's answer precisely...BUT, if I could only have one,
it would be the R-75. Each works great, but I believe it's due
to working until you get the antenna(e) right, which IMHO is
the trick to making this stuff work , )

Relax, have fun, enjoy and don't worry about the "right"
decision - either way you'll be okay. You simply can't get it "all" up
front 'cause there's so much to learn and it takes time to zero in on
what you like ('kinda like a boat - otherwise you'd hold out 'till you
could buy a yacht , )


BTW, I would be happy to sell any or all of the above, as I'm
ready to move up to a single specialized pro receiver to fit my
preferred listening style, e.g the ICOM 8500, or NRD 545, et al.
(plus, I only use each of the above for special interest; 'still have
boxes, manuals, etc. each is mint)!


In article ,
Tony Meloche wrote:

DEE wrote:

Ok, I've got enought for either the R75 or the Sat800. They're
both about the same price. I'm not too concerned about portability
but looking for a great all around box for the money.


Sound: If you listen mostly with headphones, either is great. If
you like to listen mostly with speakers, the "as-it-comes" sound of the
Grundig is great. The Icom's built-in speaker is of afterthought
quality, but any external speaker works well with it.

If you like listening to mainstream broadcast SW, you'd be perfectly
happy with the Grundig. If you like best-possible reception abilities
with a good antenna, (serious DX) the Icom comes out well ahead. If you
like to do a lot of CW/RTTY listeningk the Icom gets the nod, but if you
are a really SERIOUS CW/RTTY person, you'd need some additional filters
for the Icom for best performance.

Tony


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The R75 is a much better receiver than the SAT800. The R75 excels at digging
weak signals out of the mud.

I have both and I'm just not very impressed by the SAT800. With external
speakers or headphones, the R75 is just as good for regular program listening
and the R75 is lightyears ahead of the SAT800 in dealing with DX.

If you want decent program audio consider the far cheaper Grundig S350.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.

On 21 Feb 2004 16:27:07 GMT, ospam (Michael Bryant)
wrote:

The R75 is a much better receiver than the SAT800. The R75 excels at digging
weak signals out of the mud.

I have both and I'm just not very impressed by the SAT800. With external
speakers or headphones, the R75 is just as good for regular program listening
and the R75 is lightyears ahead of the SAT800 in dealing with DX.

If you want decent program audio consider the far cheaper Grundig S350.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are
right that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the
S800 does make listening to the very strongest stations much better,
But if you're trying to listen to a weaker-than-superpower station
the combined effects of AC hum, digital hash, and noise from the sync
can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two
years. I don't have any problem listening to broadcast stations on
the R75 in either SSB or AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about
1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in AM narrow. Headphones or external
speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are
probably people that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call
me that no matter what I say.

Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might
even put a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.

You have been downgraded to one cent.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are
right that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the
S800 does make listening to the very strongest stations much better,
But if you're trying to listen to a weaker-than-superpower station
the combined effects of AC hum, digital hash, and noise from the sync
can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two
years. I don't have any problem listening to broadcast stations on
the R75 in either SSB or AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about
1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in AM narrow. Headphones or external
speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are
probably people that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call
me that no matter what I say.

Yeah, no matter what you say!



Yes and it is your own doing. You continually post lies and how are we
to determine when you stop?

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might
even put a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.

You have been downgraded to one cent.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Michael Bryant wrote:
From: David


No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.



The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Have you ever had a chance to compare your Sat 800 head to head with
another one?

I'm wondering if yours is performing up to spec.

You wouldn't be the first person to get one that wasn't working quite right.

From: "Mark S. Holden"

Have you ever had a chance to compare your Sat 800 head to head with
another one?

I'm wondering if yours is performing up to spec.

You wouldn't be the first person to get one that wasn't working quite right.


Yep, my first thought, too. Unfortunately, it seems very similar to two other
SAT800s I compared it too. I guess there's the possiblilty that all three were
"bad." If so, that seems like an independent reason to think twice.

Look, I'm hurting my own re-sale value, right?


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

MWB,

Although I would disagree with you on your 'personal' assessment
of the Grundig Satellit 800 M and the Icom IC-R75 (R-75 ).

This is one of those YMMV type of things based upon individual
listening habits and location.

I have both the Grundig Satellit 800 M and the Icom IC-R75 (R-75 )
- But, I do not run them side-by-side.

* For 'me' the of the Grundig Satellit 800 M is my "Kitchen Radio"
and "Gets Listened To" more then most of my other radios.

* The Icom IC-R75 (R-75 ) is located in one of two positions
in my shack and "Gets Listened AT".

MWB - "Just my two cents." is this not 'compressing' the Truth.
Everyone 'knows' that a Man of Your Education and Intelligence
has more than Two Cent to "Contribute" to any Discussion.
[ OBTW: I Am Not Calling You A Liar :]


Just for the Fun of It ~ RHF
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= = = ospam (Michael Bryant)
= = = wrote in message ...
From: David

No, it's not just as good for program listening. The sync detector
makes AM DX much more listenable on the S-800.


The sync detector on the S800 also increases the noise floor. You are right
that the sync lock (combined with a much better speaker) on the S800 does make
listening to the very strongest stations much better, But if you're trying to
listen to a weaker-than-superpower station the combined effects of AC hum,
digital hash, and noise from the sync can be real disappointing.

I've operated the R75 and the SAT800 side-by-side for almost two years. I don't
have any problem listening to broadcast stations on the R75 in either SSB or
AM. If tuning AM, detune (up or down) about 1.2 kHz to fine the "sweet" spot in
AM narrow. Headphones or external speakers improve the audio even more.

I really think my Sony SW-77 is a better radio than the SAT800.

I know a lot of people think differently. I know that there are probably people
that will simply respond calling me a liar. They call me that no matter what I
say.

But I know what I like and I'm not thrilled about the SAT800. I might even put
a 7600GR with good external speakers above a SAT800.

Just my two cents.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

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