In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer"
writes:


I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I
remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters
should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised
in..

& WAY too close to Kent State..; where people WERE shot...
Just like protesters were shot in Tienamin Square in Red China..

- and . I recall, popular history was all patched up to make
the dead students the agressors.

A bad, bad time in Amerian History

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In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer"
writes:


I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I
remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters
should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised
in..

& WAY too close to Kent State..; where people WERE shot...
Just like protesters were shot in Tienamin Square in Red China..

- and . I recall, popular history was all patched up to make
the dead students the agressors.

A bad, bad time in Amerian History

DiverD,

You compare Kent State with four killed and thirteen wounded
that was an unplanned reaction and failure by Ohio National
Guard {Civilian} Soldiers; to Tian An Min Square where the
Chinese brought in 'outside' Regular Army Troops of the PLA
with Tanks and Killed Several Hundred and Wounded and
Imprisoned Thousands is just totally Absurd and Meaningless.

KENT STATE INFO:
http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html
http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm
http://hnn.us/articles/4525.html

TIAN AN MEN SQUARE INFO:
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tiananmen/
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...toryID=3505641
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB16/

~ RHF

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In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes:


What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG
when he snitched them out to the HUAC?

- Point !!

he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him;
serious intimidation I recall
Bad Move; But that's how they used to work
he never liked anything but right center after that..

Diverd4777 wrote:
In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes:


What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG
when he snitched them out to the HUAC?


- Point !!

he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him;
serious intimidation I recall
Bad Move; But that's how they used to work
he never liked anything but right center after that..

He talked the talk about government being the problem and not the
answer. He talked about smaller government. Almost sounded like a
Libertarin. But, he did not walk the walk.

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In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes:


What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG
when he snitched them out to the HUAC?

- Point !!

he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him;
serious intimidation I recall
Bad Move; But that's how they used to work
he never liked anything but right center after that..

FO&A,

The identification of Communist Party Members and Spy Cells
within the Hollywood Community and the Movie Industry was the
DUTY of Every American Citizen Who Loved their Country and
wanted to Stop the Communist. These same Communist who
supported the USSR and Stalin against their own country and
wanted the Violent Overthrow of the US Government.

Ronald W. Reagan 'did' the "Right Thing" as an American Citizen.

Now Go Do... The Right Thing ~ RHF

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"Reagan Chose Hilltop Burial Site Himself"
U.S. National - AP via YAHHO! News
Fri Jun 11,10:34 PM ET

"I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will
always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each
and every life." - Ronald W. Reagan

* The burial and memorial site is located on the southwestern
end of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, which was built
on a hilltop that offers panoramic views of a farm valley and
the distant Pacific Ocean.

"The journey has not been just my own, It seems I have been guided
by a force much larger than myself, a force made up of ideas and
beliefs about what this country is and what it could be."
- Ronald W. Reagan

* The casket was to be buried west of the curved wall facing
the Pacific Ocean.

* The memorial site is open to visitors to the 100-acre
presidential library and museum.

~ RHF
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= = = (Diverd4777) wrote in message
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In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes:


What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG
when he snitched them out to the HUAC?

- Point !!

he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him;
serious intimidation I recall
Bad Move; But that's how they used to work
he never liked anything but right center after that..

FO&A,

The identification of Communist Party Members and Spy Cells
within the Hollywood Community and the Movie Industry was the
DUTY of Every American Citizen Who Loved their Country and
wanted to Stop the Communist. These same Communist who
supported the USSR and Stalin against their own country and
wanted the Violent Overthrow of the US Government.

Ronald W. Reagan 'did' the "Right Thing" as an American Citizen.

Now Go Do... The Right Thing ~ RHF

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In article ,
(RHF) wrote:

"Reagan Chose Hilltop Burial Site Himself" U.S. National - AP via
YAHHO! News Fri Jun 11,10:34 PM ET

"I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always
eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every
life." - Ronald W. Reagan

* The burial and memorial site is located on the southwestern end of
the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, which was built on a hilltop
that offers panoramic views of a farm valley and the distant Pacific
Ocean.

"The journey has not been just my own, It seems I have been guided by
a force much larger than myself, a force made up of ideas and beliefs
about what this country is and what it could be." - Ronald W. Reagan

* The casket was to be buried west of the curved wall facing the
Pacific Ocean.

* The memorial site is open to visitors to the 100-acre presidential
library and museum.

When he came back yesterday for burial Ventura county came to a
standstill.

Work emptied out and something happened that never happened before in
my memory and that is the freeways stopped. People got out of their
cars to watch the funeral procession pass by. People standing on the
overpass, by the side of the road or anywhere they could get a look at
the procession.

It was an amazing display of affection for Reagan that people would
spontaneously do this.

I plan on visiting his museum and burial site next weekend.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated
Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate him). May he rest in peace. (snip)


First of all, Reagan didn't defeat the USSR. Instead, he severely weakened
our relationship with our European allies, and that was the real key to the
events that followed. His endless rhetoric, his decision to place even more
nuclear weapons in Europe, his attack on Libya, his rhetorical threats
towards France following that attack on Libia, and a number of other
questionable actions, convinced many in Europe the Russians were not all
that bad in comparison. As a result, it was the efforts by European leaders
to reach out to the Russians, such as decisions by France and Germany to
help Russia build an oil pipeline to Europe and England's decision to
increase trade with Russia, that truly caused Russian leaders to rethink
their positions.

As others have pointed out, there were certainly other factors influencing
Russia's decision (declining economy. political unrest, and so on), but
these alone would not have, and had not in the past, caused Russia to
change. The key ingredient, missing in the past, was a shift in European
thinking. And that shift was caused by a widespread rejection of Reagan's
war mongering attitudes - attitudes that were a throw-back to the early days
of the cold war and, like Reagan himself, very much out of place in the
world at that time.

Stewart

In article . net,
"Dwight Stewart" wrote:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated
Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate him). May he rest in peace. (snip)


First of all, Reagan didn't defeat the USSR.

Snip

If anyone is looking for proof of that an alternate universe exists here
it is.

The best that can be said about you is that at least you had the decency
to wait until he was buried to denigrate him.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote:

(snip) The best that can be said
about you is that at least you had
the decency to wait until he was
buried to denigrate him.


The truth doesn't denigrate. I was there at the time to see that shift in
European thinking. And, by leaving this country not long before Reagan took
office and returning not long after he left, I was also able to more clearly
see what eight years of his presidency had done to this country. I returned
to see homeless people in the streets of even small towns (something I had
rarely seen outside the larger cities before), violent crime like I had
never seen before, stagnated wages for workers (most were earning no more
than when I left), sharply increased prices for most everything, shocking
corporate greed, jobs moving overseas, a growing immigration problem, a
declining military, declining political freedoms, a country growing more
politically divided then I had ever seen it before in my lifetime, and so
on. In my opinion, anyone who actually thinks Reagan was good for this
country doesn't really give a damn about this country. The same could
probably be said of Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr. Each have taken this
country to a new low.

Stewart