DiverD,

What now seems a long time ago.

I worked with an Old Man from Tennessee, who wore a small Wooden
Cross on a Red String around his neck. We were talking about a
Senior Manager who have died and who's Funeral we were attending.
What he told me was at times like these; we should Focus on the
'things' the would "Recommend" the Dead Man to God;
and put aside those things that were of a mere earthly concern.

Ronald W Reagan was a good California Governor and a good President.
But most of all, he was a Kind and Gentle Man, who was a Good
Husband and Father.

"God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his
Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One
- Amen ~ RHF"
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= = = (Diverd4777) wrote in message
= = = ...
Yeah, as a person he was probably an OK Guy;

(- Just ask Jane Wyman )

He was a B Movie actor / Lifeguard who had a good speech writer;

Probably a decent human being, politics aside..



In article ,
(RHF) writes:


DiverD,

Say what you will.

But that does not change the fact that anywhere from
2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say:

That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought
that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.]


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In article ,
(Curmudgeon Man) writes:

He was a bigger than life man with a quick warm smile and he made a great
figurehead. His popularity was probably mostly due to his acting career.


- Agree; an actor with a good speech writer... at the right time and the right
place
A Lifeguard in College,
All in all, probably not a bad guy;


He had the city of Berkely gassed by helicopters in the 60's. I don't think
there is anyone else that can make that claim. What a guy. LOL

- The Police herded ANYONE on the street; - bystanders, Postmen; Anyone
and arrested them; then went totally out of control...
had people crawl on their hands and knees
saying " we love the Blue Meanies"
( Yes, this was in The United States of America )

It was said, Reagn approved.

The fact that the Iran Hostages were released Just when he took office ..
and Everyone ( Bush included) said " Just Coincidence"
-No deals with Iran -
- And no one got punished for this still smears his image...

"Diverd4777" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Curmudgeon Man) writes:

He was a bigger than life man with a quick warm smile and he made a great
figurehead. His popularity was probably mostly due to his acting career.


- Agree; an actor with a good speech writer... at the right time and the
right
place
A Lifeguard in College,
All in all, probably not a bad guy;


He had the city of Berkely gassed by helicopters in the 60's. I don't
think
there is anyone else that can make that claim. What a guy. LOL

- The Police herded ANYONE on the street; - bystanders, Postmen; Anyone
and arrested them; then went totally out of control...
had people crawl on their hands and knees
saying " we love the Blue Meanies"
( Yes, this was in The United States of America )

It was said, Reagn approved.

The fact that the Iran Hostages were released Just when he took office
...
and Everyone ( Bush included) said " Just Coincidence"
-No deals with Iran -
- And no one got punished for this still smears his image...

I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I
remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters
should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised
in..

Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Telamon,

You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass.

Don't confuse where I'm at with where your head is at.

The fact that you had to twist the intent of my words is proof
enough. Please, feel free to show me where I stated that the movie
should be taken as reality. Have you actually seen the movie? As
Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice about the
fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . .



Diverd4777 is blocked. I don't wast my time reading idiots.

I didn't twist your words or take them out of context.

You did take my words out of context with the following statement: "By all means
continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to
reality". At no point in time did I say that the movie was a resemblance to
reality.


stuff snipped

They never would have succeeded without Reagan's efforts to end
Communism. World leaders at the time agree with me and not with your
special version of reality.

World leaders agree with you??? Or do you agree with world leaders??? Feeling a
little self-inflated with the ego, eh? And, whether you like it or not, the lip
service will be flying over the next few weeks.




Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought
you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story
different from yours.

I don't care what you think either if you spend your time agreeing with
worthless Trolls.

Worthless trolls? Those ladies spent the better part of their lives living under
the Communist government in Poland. And I have no question that they know a hell
of a lot more than you about the subject and what happened at the Gdansk shipyards
than you ever will in your world of make-believe. You are one sorry sad sack of
sh*t!




Pick your side, Telamon and Lech Walesa or you and Diverd4777.

Telamon and Lech Walesa? Thanks for breaking me up laughing. Truly delusional.
There are meds for that type of thing!

Good health and good DX to you.

John Barnard



Tough choice.

You apparently are just another moronic Troll like Diverd4777.

Plonk


Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany.

By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the
rest of us stick to reality.

The following from

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826

FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA

"When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for
him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in
the overthrow of world communism.

"Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others
at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal:
the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of
200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders
who made a major contribution to communism's collapse."

FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with
Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall.

"His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to
overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans
have much to thank Ronald Reagan for."

FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV

"I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding
that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which
ultimately put an end to the Cold War".

"I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the
time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those
steps and that was his strength."

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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Telamon
Ventura, California

= = = David wrote in message
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Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and
has a very inaccurate idea of what is really happening.

DAVID,

This is the Mind-Set of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST:
- Who Know That They Know It All !
- They are therefore are Oh So Superior to the common man
{the average American Citizen}.
- They look with distain on the avarage American Citizen.
- But it is the common man who is the strength and vitality of America.

It is the 'average' American Citizen who VOTES that cause these
Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST their bigest problem, they do NOT
'think' like them and do NOT "Vote" for them.

This is the way they are nurtured and trained from a very early age.

The simply reflect the Values of their Society and Culture,
for the are Americans and Love 'their' Country.

Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine.

Yes the Minds of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITISTs are wired differently.

~ RHF
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I'm sure he was a very nice fellow, but the world was made a more
dangerous place under his watch and we are now dealing with his
mistakes.

On 7 Jun 2004 03:17:02 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

DAVID,

Say what you will.

But that does not change the fact that anywhere from
2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say:

That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought
that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.]

I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats
to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak
a few Kind-Words now at his passing.

God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan
and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort
at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF
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In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes:


What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG
when he snitched them out to the HUAC?

- Point !!

he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him;
serious intimidation I recall
Bad Move; But that's how they used to work
he never liked anything but right center after that..

In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer"
writes:


I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I
remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters
should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised
in..

& WAY too close to Kent State..; where people WERE shot...
Just like protesters were shot in Tienamin Square in Red China..

- and . I recall, popular history was all patched up to make
the dead students the agressors.

A bad, bad time in Amerian History

In article ,
(RHF) writes:


Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine.

Yes the Minds of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITISTs are wired differently.

~ RHF

RHF..

- If YOU can see the machine;
- Then YOUR a Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST

( - Sorry- )

Diverd4777 wrote:
In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes:


What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG
when he snitched them out to the HUAC?


- Point !!

he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him;
serious intimidation I recall
Bad Move; But that's how they used to work
he never liked anything but right center after that..

He talked the talk about government being the problem and not the
answer. He talked about smaller government. Almost sounded like a
Libertarin. But, he did not walk the walk.

= = = (Diverd4777) wrote in message
= = = ...
In article ,
(RHF) writes:


Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine.

Yes the Minds of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITISTs are wired differently.

~ RHF

RHF..

- If YOU can see the machine;
- Then YOUR a Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST

( - Sorry- )

DiverD,

Ah... "The Machine" !

Sounds like a Job for the Anti-Terminator.
But then in the sequel . . .
The 'original' Terminator became the Anti-Terminator.

I am getting confused...
Starting to sound like "New Speak".
Good is BAD. -&- Bad is GOOD.

Once of the underlying Themes of the Terminator Movies was that
our 'common' HUMANITY would in the End "Overcome" the Machine.
NOT the Elite, for "The Elite" were the 'true' Creators-of-the-Machine.

I remain a most average & common man - No Batteries Required ) ~ RHF

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