Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.

Les

"Llgpt" wrote in message
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Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And
we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their
country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you
ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.



Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to
do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was
the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people
there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their
oppressive governments.

Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:

"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And
we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their
country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you
ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.


Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to
do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was
the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people
there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their
oppressive governments.

That's great... but there were indeed underlying reasons why they were able to
do so!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

RE fall of Soviet Union..

- Thought what he ( or someone behind him did)
was to propose a " Starwars" missle defense system, and start work on it
Thinking it was aboout " First Strike" The Russians started working to defend
against it..
only It was a huge hoax !
- No real program, just dummy blueprints, hiring people to work in it's
outlines
and press releases.

Wounded & weakened from 10 years in Afghanistan, ( note ) The soviets spent
themselves into oblivion rearming against the Starwars Hoax ....

And the really big secret was WHAT A MESS the Soviet Union really was...

Dan


In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer"
writes:

Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: "Brenda Ann Dyer"
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:09:40 +0900


"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And
we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their
country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you
ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.



Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to
do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was
the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people
there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their
oppressive governments.

In article ,
"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:

"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And
we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their
country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you
ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.



Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to
do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was
the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people
there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their
oppressive governments.

You are wrong about this. Reagan's action were the reason. He had the
vision and the will to make this happen.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a history of
standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to
mind and it was a shame that the USA decided to abandon those countries and do
nothing. The Solidarity revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT
ALL to do with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the
Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own accord. Poland,
out of all the Eastern European block, has always had the stones to fight back a
little and retain some measure of autonomy.

I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to do with the
Solidarity revolution.

Regards

John Barnard

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:

"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT)
Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals
hate
him). May he rest in peace.

So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And
we
will
win.


The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their
country
into oblivion.

We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you
ever
read a newspaper? I thought not.



Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to
do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was
the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people
there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their
oppressive governments.

You are wrong about this. Reagan's action were the reason. He had the
vision and the will to make this happen.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a
history of standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and
Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA
decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity
revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do
with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the
Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own
accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had
the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of
autonomy.

I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to
do with the Solidarity revolution.

Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race
bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the
current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The
Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid
and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in
eastern europe.

Neither you nor anyone else can pull this revisionist bull**** on me. I
saw this happen in real time.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/reagan_c
old_war_legacy_2

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a
history of standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and
Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA
decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity
revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do
with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the
Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own
accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had
the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of
autonomy.

I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to
do with the Solidarity revolution.

Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race
bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the
current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The
Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid
and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in
eastern europe.

Neither you nor anyone else can pull this revisionist bull**** on me. I
saw this happen in real time.

You saw what you wanted to see. No single president should get the
credit for winning the arms race. We outspent the USSR for more than
forty years. Every president since Truman contributed to the ultimate
collapse of the USSR. Reagan happened to be president when the end came.


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In article ,
longwave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article , John Barnard
wrote:

Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a
history of standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and
Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA
decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity
revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do
with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the
Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own
accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had
the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of
autonomy.

I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to
do with the Solidarity revolution.

Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race
bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the
current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The
Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid
and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in
eastern europe.

Neither you nor anyone else can pull this revisionist bull**** on me. I
saw this happen in real time.

You saw what you wanted to see. No single president should get the
credit for winning the arms race. We outspent the USSR for more than
forty years. Every president since Truman contributed to the ultimate
collapse of the USSR. Reagan happened to be president when the end came.

How can you say that I saw what I wanted to see? No one knew how things
were going to turn out. Stinking Liberals were calling Reagan an out of
control cowboy "Ronald Ray Guns" because they though he would start WW3
confronting the Russians. Reagan built up the military and forced the
Russians into bankruptcy trying to keep up. The eastern europeans saw
their chance to throw off the yoke of communism with the Russians in
their weakened state.

Reagan didn't just "happen to be there." He had a sense of destiny and
a job to do that took guts facing down the Russians and the left wing
in this country like Kerry that just wanted to give up and negotiate
with the Russians from a weak position.

You are right that it did not start with Reagan but he did finnish it.
If Kennedy was not assassinated he might have done it but Johnson,
Nixon, Ford and Carter didn't do it. Clinton would not have done it
either.

Through will and conviction he challenged the Russians forcing them to
focus on us in the arms race. It was world class poker game and Reagan
didn't bluff. The Russians finally ran out of money with a economy that
could not keep up with ours. Weakened from the effort they gave up the
hold they had on eastern europe since WW2 and the cold war was
basically ended.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote in message ...
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I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to
do with the Solidarity revolution.

Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race
bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the
current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The
Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid
and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in
eastern europe.


Actually the funny thing is that both of you are right. CIA with help
of Vaticano bank did sepnt enormous sum of money in order to help
Solidarity. However, nobody has any idea what happened to this money.
Solidarity leaders usually say that they never received any real help,
and there is BIG suspicion
that most of that help disappeared during the operation and only tiny
sum finally reached people needing it.

Saying that, i must say that many in Poland are now honouring the
president Reagan. Not that he singlehandly won Cold War (the pope +
Lech Walesa and few other people could disagree) but he was on the
greatest factors in speeding the USSR collapse.