"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King
James Only.

[ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where
he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.]

===========

A Tribute to the Bible

The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work
wonders by its very presence.

IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter,
if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired
revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most
simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand
and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every
subject of human knowledge and need now and forever.

That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any
other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible?
What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple.
Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made the
whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the
"almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and
obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of
Christianity than you can name.

Honus wrote:

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King
James Only.

[ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where
he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.]

===========

A Tribute to the Bible

s n i p

It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple.

You'd better be careful, Honus. Comments like that will get you LABELED
as ANTI-SEMITIC ! Wasn't most of it written in HEBREW? :-)

I can see the headlines now, HONUS, ANTI-SEMITIC

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Honus wrote:

It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple.

You'd better be careful, Honus. Comments like that will get you LABELED
as ANTI-SEMITIC ! Wasn't most of it written in HEBREW? :-)

I can see the headlines now, HONUS, ANTI-SEMITIC

Nice try, but no cigar. I don't think anyone here (including you) is going
to seriously accuse me of being an anti-Semite.

Come to think of it, that wasn't even a nice try.

And my point stands. I see you didn't try to refute it. Smart boy.

"Honus" wrote in message
news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04...

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King
James Only.

[ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where
he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.]

===========

A Tribute to the Bible

The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will work
wonders by its very presence.

IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter,
if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired
revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the most
simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can understand
and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every
subject of human knowledge and need now and forever.

That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any
other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible?
What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and simple.
Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made
the
whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the
"almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and
obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of
Christianity than you can name.

I have to disagree. The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers
to kill all infidels. As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it
translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose.
As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly
understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word
for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed. As for "subsets" of
Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do
with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation.
Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack of
ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself
to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind.
For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't
realize how it has changed peoples lives. If everyone lived by the teachings
of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no
theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book.
B

"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
...

"Honus" wrote in message
news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04...

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are King
James Only.

[ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-) [Where
he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.]

===========

A Tribute to the Bible

The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will
work
wonders by its very presence.

IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and hereafter,
if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's inspired
revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the
most
simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can
understand
and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every
subject of human knowledge and need now and forever.

That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by any
other holy book. And written in the most simple human language possible?
What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and
simple.
Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have made
the
whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the
"almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding and
obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets of
Christianity than you can name.

I have to disagree.

Gosh. I didn't see -that- coming.

The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers
to kill all infidels.

Of course, you can find -millions- of Muslims that say that it doesn't. And
of course, Christians have been killing infidels since Day ****ing One. And
saying that the Koran can't work wonders is extraordinarily ignorant. IIRC
it's the fastest growing religion in if not the US then the world. Are these
people converting because they're craven evil *******s that want to fill
their lives with sin? Or is it more likely that they're experienceing the
change that you think only comes with Christianity? You know...the one that
you're so smugly dismissing?

As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it
translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you choose.

The point is that God could have either selected a better language or made
Hebrew more suitable for his purpose.


As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly
understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek word
for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed.

Wrong. Do some research. I would advise asking Jews what the words mean.
It's their language, after all. But you might not like the answer.

As for "subsets" of
Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do
with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation.

Which wouldn't be an issue if God had "either selected a better language or
made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose." I don't need your help...really.

Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack
of
ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends itself
to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to mind.

See above.

For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you don't
realize how it has changed peoples lives.

You don't know me or my background. Do a little research before you make an
ass of yourself.

If everyone lived by the teachings
of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no
theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book.

In other words, no sin. Therefore, it's -impossible- to live as you
describe. God says so.

You just go on telling yourself that you've got the One True Faith. Nothing
I can say is going to change your mind. Do you -really- believe that no
other religion teaches morality comparable to yours? Don't answer; I already
know what you're going to say. By the way...ever read up on Bhuddists?

"Honus" wrote in message
news:VnVSd.54651$uc.2122@trnddc04...

"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
...

"Honus" wrote in message
news:H4TSd.54284$uc.1254@trnddc04...

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Copied from page 241 of the New Testament of a 1963 edition of
Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible. As far as I know ALL his Bible's are
King
James Only.

[ALL TYPOS ARE MINE ALONE! I think I'll copyright them!] :-)
[Where
he underlined for emphasis I'll use upper case.]

===========

A Tribute to the Bible

The Bible is not an amulet, a charm, a fetish, or a book that will
work
wonders by its very presence.

IT IS a book that will work wonders in every life, here and
hereafter,
if acted upon and obeyed in faith and sincerity. IT IS God's
inspired
revelation of the origin and destiny of all things, written in the
most
simple human language possible so that the most unlearned can
understand
and obey its teachings. IT IS self-interpreting and covers every
subject of human knowledge and need now and forever.

That means absolutely nothing, and the same claims could be made by
any
other holy book. And written in the most simple human language
possible?
What hyperbole! It was written in an inferior language, plain and
simple.
Having a word for "sphere" or "globe", etc. for example would have
made
the
whole is the Earth round or flat debate moot. I won't even go near the
"almah" means young lady vs. virgin debate. And as for understanding
and
obeying its teachings, yeah...right. that's why they're more subsets
of
Christianity than you can name.

I have to disagree.

Gosh. I didn't see -that- coming.

The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers
to kill all infidels.

Of course, you can find -millions- of Muslims that say that it doesn't.

Well regardless of what they say, thats what it says. Ive read it.

And
of course, Christians have been killing infidels since Day ****ing One.

You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a
leader doesnt mean they know Christ.

And
saying that the Koran can't work wonders is extraordinarily ignorant.

Only wonders it works is to lead people astray and cause them to hate those
who are not muslim.

IIRC
it's the fastest growing religion in if not the US then the world.

Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate anyone
thats not of your thinking!

Are these
people converting because they're craven evil *******s that want to fill
their lives with sin?

See above.

Or is it more likely that they're experienceing the
change that you think only comes with Christianity? You know...the one
that
you're so smugly dismissing?

Love is not part of Islam. Not even love for their own family. If a family
member converts to Christianity, they are in absolute danger of being killed
by their own family members.


As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it
translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you
choose.

The point is that God could have either selected a better language or made
Hebrew more suitable for his purpose.

God selected the Hebrew people. If you read the Bible it tells you why. As
for their language, I dont believe they had any problems with it.



As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly
understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek
word
for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed.

Wrong. Do some research. I would advise asking Jews what the words mean.
It's their language, after all. But you might not like the answer.

The Jews that wrote the Septuigint knew what it meant. And they were closer
in time to the actually hebrew manuscripts they used to write it. THEY would
be the authority of what it means. Not some Jew off the street today. The
average Jew here doesnt even speak Hebrew as fluently as they speak english.
They dont know ancient Hebrew. That language has changed over they years.
There are words in the Bible that they dont even know the definations for.
How are they going to translate something they werent even close to? The
authority is with the Septuigint.


As for "subsets" of
Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to do
with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation.

Which wouldn't be an issue if God had "either selected a better language
or
made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose." I don't need your
help...really.

Have you ever thought about maybe God WANTING there to be different
denominations? I guess not.


Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our lack
of
ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends
itself
to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to
mind.

See above.

For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you
don't
realize how it has changed peoples lives.

You don't know me or my background. Do a little research before you make
an
ass of yourself.

Ad Hominem again. Did you get a good grade in debate school? Oh NO, thats
right, you didnt go!


If everyone lived by the teachings
of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder, no
theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book.

In other words, no sin. Therefore, it's -impossible- to live as you
describe. God says so.

That is in contrast with other books. Again you are missing the point or
trying to twist the point. Stay on topic. I know how ADD can be though.


You just go on telling yourself that you've got the One True Faith.
Nothing
I can say is going to change your mind. Do you -really- believe that no
other religion teaches morality comparable to yours? Don't answer; I
already
know what you're going to say. By the way...ever read up on Bhuddists?

Buddha is dead. In the grave. He was a mere man. With lots of faults.
B

You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a
leader doesnt mean they know Christ.

Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate anyone
thats not of your thinking!

Once again, written by the same person in the same post. Do you suppose
he doesn't get the irony of these two statements together? Darned good
thing it has so much to do with shortwave, or else I'd think it was just
loony talk.

"Brian Running" wrote in message
...
You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a
leader doesnt mean they know Christ.

Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate
anyone
thats not of your thinking!

Once again, written by the same person in the same post. Do you suppose
he doesn't get the irony of these two statements together? Darned good
thing it has so much to do with shortwave, or else I'd think it was just
loony talk.

Once again, I'm afraid you took these two statements out of their context.
If you had bothered to read the post and repost it in its entirety then it
would make sense. Anyone can pull something out of context.
B

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:02:52 -0600, Brian Running wrote:

You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a
leader doesnt mean they know Christ.



THE CRUSADES


THE INQUISITION


It's been my observation that
the more zealous the believer,
the less tolerance he has for others......




Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate anyone
thats not of your thinking!

Once again, written by the same person in the same post. Do you suppose
he doesn't get the irony of these two statements together? Darned good
thing it has so much to do with shortwave, or else I'd think it was just
loony talk.

rj

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:02:52 -0600, Brian Running wrote:

You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a
leader doesnt mean they know Christ.



THE CRUSADES


THE INQUISITION


It's been my observation that
the more zealous the believer,
the less tolerance he has for others......


Google "saint bartholomew's day massacre". Here's one hit from the
Columbia encyclopedia.

http://www.bartleby.com/65/st/StBartho.html

"...Massacres continued into October reaching the provinces of
Rouen, Lyons, Bourges, Orleans, and Bourdeaux. An estimated
3,000 were killed in Paris, 70,000 in all of France. News of
the massacres was welcomed by the Pope and the King of
Spain. Protestants, however, were horrified, and the killings
rekindled the hatred between..."

In England Catholics were hunted down and killed. Catholics were
considered terrorists, circa 1600. This is the origin of the
Gunpowder Plot and Guy Fawkes Day in English history.

Dog knows, millions of brown people have died because Christians were
told they had no souls, as if that should be an excuse.

The Pilgroms and other protestant sects didn't come to the New World
for a vacation. They did because they were being persecuted in Europe.

"Persecuted" is a polite word for "killed"


--

a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.